Elizabeth Oxley marriage to John Hague

[hatton65]

My Great Great Grandmother Elizabeth Oxley born in Scotland abt 1838 married John Hague born in Manchester abt 1833

I am trying to find out when and where they got married.

I found Elizabeth living in Bank Street Warrington in the 1851 census (surname spelt wrong as Orley) at the age of 15.

I’m not sure of where John Hague was living from birth till the 1861 census when they were living in Wellington Street in Widnes.

It seems their 1st born was Mary Ann was born in 1858 in Widnes so I am presuming they got married about that year.

Hope you can help me as I have hit a brick wall on this one and have searched everywhere I could possibly think of.

Thanks Andrea

[dickiesam]

Haven't found a marriage yet [there may not be one ] but I don't know if you have this... Scotland Census 1841. I had a few spare credits! I think this could be the mother Ann Oxley.
Ann Oxly is with son William and daughter Elizabeth living with a Munroe family and she appears to have been born in England. William and Elizabeth born in Scotland ['In County'] in the Gorbals.

[hatton65]

Great find dickiesam, I had not seen that and thank you for looking and especially using your credits it is much appreciated.

I have Ann being born in Glasgow on the 1861 census, could E mean Edinburgh as on the 1881/91 census I have found the other son Thomas living in Southport (job was a coachman) and he was born in Edinburgh and from the census's I have found so far they come from Scotland. I do think that the census you have found is my family I am looking for, it looks like they might lived in a shop. I can't make out the name of the street on the census and where is the Gorbals?

I'm made up with this find thank you

[dickiesam]

Hi Andrea,
Re:

could E mean Edinburgh as on the 1881/91 census?

Its difficult to see but this is the heading of Column 4 on the Census Summary Page. People born in Scotland used the left-hand 'sub-column' and indicated with a Y(es) if they were born in the county they were enumerated in, and N for No. If born outside Scotland the other sub-column was used and E [for England], I [for Ireland] or F [for Foreign] was to be entered..


The Gorbals were a densely populated, and in the main very poor slum area of Glasgow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbals

With regard to the street name all I have so far is something like Saint N?ncess? Street. Could be way off beam, but fairly sure of the upper case N. Perhaps a call to ScotlandsPeople might provide a transcription?

[dickiesam]

Slightly puzzled as to why on the 1851 census, HO107 Piece 2203 Folio 143 Page 50, the older son Thomas is listed after his younger brother William. While there are exceptions, usually children are listed in age order with oldest first. Thomas' age is given as 28 but I am wondering if the enumerator made a mistake and it should be 18.

His wife's name in later censuses, where he is a groom and then a coachman, is Mary. In the 1871 census his YoB is 1821; 1881 = 1828; and 1891 = 1820!
If he really was 18 in 1851 that would fit with another Scotland 1841 find...
1841: OXLEY, THOMAS - M - 13 - CANONGATE, EDINBURGH CITY, MIDLOTHIAN - SGRO Ref: 685/03 029/00 007

[lynne99]

The Gorbals is south of the river Clyde. There is a St Ninians street also a Nicholson St. I have posted a link to an 1800 map of Glasgow.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400032
you can click on it and then zoom in. Good searching.

[dickiesam]

The Gorbals is south of the river Clyde. There is a St Ninians street also a Nicholson St. I have posted a link to an 1800 map of Glasgow.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400032
you can click on it and then zoom in. Good searching.

Hi Lynne,
Thanks for the map link. I have scoured several lists of Scottish saints and Glasgow street directories and have come to the conclusion that street is probably St Ninians Street, especially since it is in the Gorbals.

For Andrea....
On the map, which you can click on to enlarge, it is located by finding the E in RivEr Clyde; Directly below that is Adelphi Street and St Ninians Street is directly under the 'el' in Adelphi.

[dickiesam]

Assuming this is the daughter Mary Ann....
Births Dec 1857: Hague, Mary Ann - Prescot 8b 432
Where is she and her parents in 1861, and her parents in 1871?

[Bertieone]

Assuming this is the daughter Mary Ann....
Births Dec 1857: Hague, Mary Ann - Prescot 8b 432
Where is she and her parents in 1861, and her parents in 1871?

1861, Wellington St, Widnes
John Hague 28
Elizabeth Hague 27
Mary Ann Hague 3
William H Hague 1
RG9 P2743 F5 Page10

[Bertieone]

1871,

RG10; Piece: 3859; Folio: 78; Page: 57;

Transcribed,
John Hogue
Elizabeth Hogue,
Children

[dickiesam]

Thanks for the references Bert. Findmypast had them as Hagn in 1861! Not even spelling variation could find them. Oh, and their residence was the Wellington Hotel, Willington Street!

Still haven't found an Oxley/Hague marriage anywhere between 1848 when John Hague would have been about 18 and 1901. But there are two John Hague marriages in Manchester prior to the birth of Mary Ann in 1857. So was he already married?

Marriages Mar 1851: Hague, John - Manchester 20 599
Date: 1 Jan 1851 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Hague - 21, Mechanic, Bachelor, 101 Water St.
Emily Lunt - 20, Spinster, 101 Water St.
Groom's Father: John Hague, Manufacturer
Bride's Father: Thomas Lunt, Tobacconist
Witness: John Parrington; Ann Hague
Married by Banns by: George Slade
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1851, Page 172, Entry 344

Marriages Jun 1852: Hague, John - Manchester 8d 617
Date: 5 Apr 1852 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
John Hague - full, Mechanic, Bachelor, Ince, Petticoat Lane
Mary Ann Barker - (X), full, Winder, Spinster, Hindley, Wigan Road
Groom's Father: Daniel Hague, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Barker, Weaver
Witness: Henry Forshaw, (X); Alice Barker, (X)
Married by Banns by: John J. Dixon Offg Minister
Register: Marriages 1851 - 1866, Page 15, Entry 30

So far haven't found either couple in 1861.

[simone]

But there are two John Hague marriages in Manchester prior to the birth of Mary Ann in 1857. So was he already married?

Marriages Mar 1851: Hague, John - Manchester 20 599
Date: 1 Jan 1851 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Hague - 21, Mechanic, Bachelor, 101 Water St.
Emily Lunt - 20, Spinster, 101 Water St.
Groom's Father: John Hague, Manufacturer
Bride's Father: Thomas Lunt, Tobacconist
Witness: John Parrington; Ann Hague
Married by Banns by: George Slade
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1851, Page 172, Entry 344

Marriages Jun 1852: Hague, John - Manchester 8d 617
Date: 5 Apr 1852 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
John Hague - full, Mechanic, Bachelor, Ince, Petticoat Lane
Mary Ann Barker - (X), full, Winder, Spinster, Hindley, Wigan Road
Groom's Father: Daniel Hague, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Barker, Weaver
Witness: Henry Forshaw, (X); Alice Barker, (X)
Married by Banns by: John J. Dixon Offg Minister
Register: Marriages 1851 - 1866, Page 15, Entry 30

So far haven't found either couple in 1861.

1861 at Aston, Warwickshire
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2172; Folio: 32; Page: 17;
John Hague 30 Engineer b France? British subject
Emily Hague 30 b Salford
Sarah J Hague 2

and this must be the second couple

1861Wigan
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2772; Folio: 6; Page: 5;
John Hague 34 engineer b wigan
Marian Hague 40
Ellen Lowe 66

[hatton65]

Thank you Lynne for the map of Glasgow and the Gorbals it is very interesting.

dickiesam - I agree with you on St Ninans Street, the Gorbals. It has also had me puzzeled about Thomas's birth date as it had changed on the census, but I am sure that I have the right person. If it was transcribed wrong then the Thomas in the 1841 census would probably ring true, he would have been born abt 1833 and I know they were not the exact ages etc.

I have got the birth certificate of my Great Grandmother Margaret Hague born in 1868, it says her Mother is Elizabeth Hague formally Oxley, but I am not sure when she married John Hague. If she lived in Warrington I was thinking maybe this is the area I should be looking at. John Hague had a brother James who married a Rose Hannah Dumbill in 1845 at St Wilfred farnworth (in Widnes) and his fathers name is John Hague (occupation a Hatter) so I think the family had connections in Widnes/Warrington area at about that time.

I have been researching the name John Hague(the father born 1798 in Ashton under lyne) just while I have been typing this and have found out that they lived in Warrington as I have found him on the 1841 and 1851 census so far and he had another son named William born 1829 Manchester I am really made up with this find.. I've been searching the Manchester census for a few years now, I didn't realise they had moved to warrington ahhhh.

So the Marriage of John and Elizabeth must have been quite local like I said Widnes/Warrington area.

It would be lovely to solve this mystery.

Thanks Andrea

[dickiesam]

Unless there was a serious surname transcription error between the District Registry office and the GRO there does not appear to have been a marriage between John Hague and Elizabeth Oxley in England, Wales or Scotland. Perhaps it was Elizabeth who was already married or was there a conflict of religions?

Is this her death?
ELIZABETH HAGUE
Birth year: 1833
Age: 67
Death year/qtr: 1900 / Jun
District: WARRINGTON; Volume 8C; Page 139