William Chamney, Bn, 1894

[dickiesam]

DS. 28 Aspinall Street, did you manage to take a walk down it in 1891/1901? difficult to do on Anc.

Yes Bert. Did the walk for both years. No hits I recognised, even looked under the beds and in the garret!

And since the death of Eliza, the mother in 1889 shows she was a widow I have been trying to find her husband's death. Nothing yet!

I have rarely come across a name with so many variations due to a misread of the written Chamney!

Incidentally, tried to find a Cheshire birth of the supposed father of William Chamney bn in 1894. I looked from 1861 to 1880 searching on Ch*ey and found these...

CHARMLEY, William Arthur - Cheshire, Great Boughton 1861
CHARMLEY, William - Cheshire, Great Boughton 1869
CHARMLEY, William - Cheshire, Chester 1872
CHARMLEY, William Thomas - Cheshire, Chester 1876
CHANDLEY, William - Cheshire, Stockport 1877
CHAMNEY, William Henry - Cheshire, Birkenhead 1878
CHALKLEY, William - Cheshire, Chester 1879
CHARMLEY, William Woodfine - Cheshire, Chester 1880

And re the one in italics...
Births Mar 1878: Chamney, William Henry Birkenhead 8a 484
Deaths Mar 1878: Chamney, William Henry [0] Birkenhead 8a 320

[dickiesam]

Perhaps of interest?

1910+1...
Address: Union Workhouse, Church Road, Tranmere, Cheshire
CHAMNEY, Elizabeth Patient u/m 53 1858 Charwoman - Birkenhead, Cheshire

[Bertieone]

Thanks for the walk DS, I thought you would,

Elizabeth in the workhouse was the reason for me to think William 1894 happened to be in lodgings. 1911.
Couldn't find a death myself for William, supposed father or William born 1817 Ulverston, It appears the family didn't care to much for registration. Its annoying how the Chamney's are missing from various census.
I'll try again to find Elizabeth who ended up in the workhouse, she must be somewhere, 1891/1901.

[dickiesam]

I ain't doing somersaults yet.... But see here:

1891: RG12 Piece: 2879 Folio: 20 Page: 33
Address: 12 Hinson Street, Birkenhead.
RANKIN, James Head 35 1856 Joiner - Scotland
RANKIN, Mary Wife 35 1856 - Liverpool, Lancashire
RANKIN, Frances A Dtr 6 1885 Scholar - Birkenhead, Cheshire
FORFAR, Thomas Brother-in-law u/m 33 1858 Joiner - Liverpool, Lancashire
FORFAR, William H Brother-in-law u/m 24 1867 Joiner - Liverpool, Lancashire
FORFAR, Alfred Brother-in-law u/m 22 1869 Engineer Fitter - Liverpool, Lancashire
CHUMNEY, Elizabeth Servant u/m 41 1850 Domestic Servant - Birkenhead, Lancashire

Census summary page is very faded and Chumney could quite easily be Chamney! And the age transcription could be wrong as well. I think it looks more like 40.

And, my suspicious mind says there are at least 3 potential fathers for William bn 1894!

[dickiesam]

And in 1881?
RG11 Piece: 3574 Folio: 84 Page: 10
Address: 16 Market St, Birkenhead.
MURPHIE, Henry Head 29 1852 Pawn Broker - York, Yorkshire
MURPHIE, Anne Wife 34 1847 - Liverpool, Lancashire
MURPHIE, Margaret Dtr 3 1878 - Bhead, Cheshire
MURPHIE, Harry Son 0 1881 - Bhead, Cheshire
CHAMNEY, Elizabeth Servant u/m 27 1854 Housemaid - Bhead, Cheshire
ROBERTSON, Janet Servant u/m 14 1867 Nurse - Scotland

[Bertieone]

Cheers DS,
The 81, yes that's her.

The 91, Anc have transcribed, Elizabeth Ch?? aged 10, Birkenhead, its a good chance its the Elizabeth we seek, being in service.

[Alison C]

Hello

And since the death of Eliza, the mother in 1889 shows she was a widow I have been trying to find her husband's death. Nothing yet!

There is a death notice in the Preston Guardian on 31 January 1880:
"On 24th inst., at Birkenhead, William Chamney, late of Ulverston, aged 63."

The nearest I can find in the GRO index for Q1 1880 is a William Chandler who died in Birkenhead aged 63. Another mis-spelling perhaps!

Alison

[Alison C]

Here's an interesting thread from Rootschat, from someone researching Mary Chamney - another daughter of William and Eliza.

Apparently the family were living in Denbigh Street in Birkenhead when Mary was born in November 1870 and the whole of the 1871 census for that area has been lost!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=149443.0

Alison

[dickiesam]

Hello

And since the death of Eliza, the mother in 1889 shows she was a widow I have been trying to find her husband's death. Nothing yet!

There is a death notice in the Preston Guardian on 31 January 1880:
"On 24th inst., at Birkenhead, William Chamney, late of Ulverston, aged 63."

The nearest I can find in the GRO index for Q1 1880 is a William Chandler who died in Birkenhead aged 63. Another mis-spelling perhaps!

Alison

Hi Alison,
Don't know about Bert, but I think that is almost certainly the man. The absence of any other matching death, the birth-place, the age at death and place of death all point to it being William Chamney.

[Bertieone]

Thank you Alison for the info and I agree, DS, William Chandler most likely our chap.
Denbigh St is in the area this family lived in the 61 census, just my luck for the 71 to be missing, however I could not find them in any directories I have to hand around that time. So, from the child born 61 and to William's death in 1880, still only Mary registered 1870, William the possible father of William1894, still eludes us. I've run out of variables on this name.

The birth cert is becoming a must

[dickiesam]

Just for info about missing pages from a census... The 1871 has problems too in respect of Birkenhead and Piece 3754 in particular, although there are most probably others.

Looking for Chamney in 1871, I inputted...
1871: Eliza [no surname], bn 1827 +/- 2, place of residence Birkenhead, county of Cheshire. Included in the hits were 3 Elizas without a surname and barely any other information. These were on the following pages...

RG10 Piece: 3754 Folio: 8 Page: 9
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Wallasey
Parish: Liscard
Enum. District: 5

RG10 Piece: 3754 Folio: 46 Page: 86
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Wallasey
Parish: Liscard
Enum. District: 5

RG10 Piece: 3754 Folio: 50 Page: 94
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Wallasey
Parish: Liscard
Enum. District: 5

When I checked the 3 summary pages the writing was so faded it could not be read properly, even to make a guess at some of the surnames. Strikes me that could be a reason why we can't find the family in 1871. The entry can't be deciphered in order to be transcribed and indexed.

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

Nothing appears on Anc regarding to the above, thank you and all for their efforts and help, we'll see what the cert reveals, hopefully something helpful.

Now where's me pills

[Bertieone]

Made a note in my diary, simply says "Bugger"

[dickiesam]

And we all say Amen to that!
May not be the end of the line. We did find his baptism though.... Looks as though the father's name is a convenient fiction in order to appear to be married?
Forenames: William
Surname: Chamney
Christening Date: 14 Mar 1894
Father's Forenames: William
Father's Surname: Chamney
Mother's Forename: Eliza
Mother's Surname: Chamney
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Record Number: 392
Parish: Holy Trinity
City or Town: Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms 1538-1910

[MaryA]

Sorry Bert - adding my Bugger to the others.

[Bertieone]

Having gone right through it again, she has to be the Eliza, Bn 1861 to William & Eliza Chamney (Ulverston)

She married James Walmsley in 1890, a Fitter, widowed, born in Winsford, I can find him in 1891, with a cousin, RG12 P3923 F74 Page16 but not her.
His two children from his previous marriage are living with the Grandparents in Borough Rd, Birkenhead.
Hilton R Walmsley and his wife Eliza Walmsley.
RG12 P2883 F102 Page3

Where is Eliza Walmsley, nee Chamney, James wife in 1891?

DS,
Can you please take the walk again down Aspinall St and find out who lived in number 28, might be a relative, name I recognise. cheers.

[dickiesam]

DS,
Can you please take the walk again down Aspinall St and find out who lived in number 28, might be a relative, name I recognise. cheers.

Done!

1891: RG12 Piece: 2886 Folio: 43 Page: 37
Address: 28 Aspinall Street, Birkenhead
FADDEN, John Jno Head Md 47 1844 General Laborer - Ireland
FADDEN, Mary Wife 35 1856 - Birkenhead, Cheshire
OWNES, John Stepson 15 1876 Railway Labourer - Birkenhead, Cheshire

1901: RG13 Piece: 3393 Folio: 54 Page: 16
Address: 28 Aspinall Street, Birkenhead
HARRISON, Thomas Head Md 25 1876 Waterman Flatman - Birkenhead, Cheshire
HARRISON, Lydia Wife 24 1877 - Birkenhead, Cheshire
LLOYD, Robert Visitor Md 25 1876 Carter In Brickworks - Wrexham, Denbighshire
LLOYD, Elizabeth Visitor Md 20 1881 - Birkenhead, Cheshire
LLOYD, Thomas E Visitor 2 1899 - Birkenhead, Cheshire

[steveflan]

Bert

I'm probably stating the obvious here but have you searched 1891 under her birth name of Chamney?

The reason I asked was that I had a female relative who was married, and in the 1901 census she was listed at her parents house under her married name. However, in 1911 she was listed at her parents house again but this time under her birth name although she was still married to her husband.

[Bertieone]

I/we have Steve and she's proving very elusive.


Cheers, DS,
I was hoping the same family lived there for both census,

Speckled Jim on his way with some Victory V's for you.

[dickiesam]

Cheers, DS,
I was hoping the same family lived there for both census,
Speckled Jim on his way with some Victory V's for you.

Oh goody! At my age they are as good as Vi*gra!
The system won't allow me to use the common generic name for that particular fortifier! LOL!