Please help me to find Polly Mellon (I am from Denmark)

[Bertieone]

Bingo

[Blue70]

Here is a possible death registration for James in 1875:

Deaths Mar 1875
James MORRISSON
Age 30
Liverpool, Volume 8b, page 36

I don't think this is the right one. This man appears to be buried in Anfield Cemetery and was a "Car Owner" (horse car). He lived in Louis Street off Scotland Road (in another part of Liverpool):-

Name: Morrison, James
When buried: 25 February 1875
Age: 30 years
Profession: Car Owner
Abode: 67 Louis Street
District: Liverpool
Folio: 389
Number: 7779
Burial type: Purchased Grave
Section: 1
Grave: 415
Funeral: Revd, James Mahood
Registrar: Geo Turvey
Reference: 352 CEM 6/2/2

[Bertieone]

Even more convinced James/Jens was the same person, Margaret was not widowed on the 71 census, James/Jens was a fisherman, so away at sea. James Peter born 1871, the only one a catholic baptism couldn't be found for. First child recorded in Denmark, a Jens Peter.

[Danish]

Thank you all!

So very great, I would not have found out without your help.

If you find more on the family, please let me know!
Also about Margeret/Margeretta Mellon and family?

I just saw that Margeret and Jens (James) named their next children (born in Denmark) with more english than Danish names, such as Edward, Allen and Emmely. Perhaps that was the names from Margerets family (father or so)?

I will share a coffee/tee and a cake when me and my wife come to England to see the places!
Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

It wouldn't surprise me if James Morrison was the Anglicized version of Jens Mogensen, just a thought.

Good thinking Bert.

Danish,

Do you know Jens' father's name? If the name of James Morrison's father on the marriage certificate is the same one then there is the proof or if James' father has a Danish sounding name then that could prove it.


Blue

[Danish]

Dear Blue

Good idea.
I will try to find records on Jens Mogensens father and mother, it has been difficult, but now I will put my focus in that direction for sure, and write back when I have some information.

Margeret and Jens/James had then 8 children (one died very young)
One was Polly, married a Hansen
She was the mother to at least 3, on was Jens Hansen
Jens was father to my grandfather Jack Mellon Hansen(english name)
Jan was his son, my father
And so I got the Mellon name.
I have 3 children, all have the name Mellon

Best regards
Karsten

[Hilary]

Margaret's maiden name on the christening of Mary isn't Mellon it looks more like Emerson but it's Mellon on the Twins entry.

[Blue70]

Margaret's maiden name on the christening of Mary isn't Mellon it looks more like Emerson but it's Mellon on the Twins entry.

Could just be a mistake.


Blue

[Danish]

It is my lucky day today.

Jens Mogensens born Aug. 4th 1836, his fathers name Lars Mogens Isaaksen (This time in Denmark was the last time the boys/girls surname was his/her fathers first/given name, that tradition stoped), his father was called Mogens I guess. His mothers name was Ellen Marie Lars-(daughter).

So if that is on the marriage certificate everything - in that direction - would just be proved I guess!?

Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

Good. Lars is very different to the usual English names of that time. Here's some guidance about buying the marriage certificate from the GRO:-

- Go to: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
- Click on Register/Login
- Register
- Under "Certificate Types" click the space after "Marriage Certificate (England & Wales)"
- Under "For all events" click the space after "Is the GRO Index Reference Number known? Yes"
- For "Year in which the event was registered" enter 1865
- Click "Submit"
- Enter Party 1 Surname: Morrison
- Enter Party 1 Forenames: James
- Enter Party 2 Surname: Mellen
- Enter Party 2 Forenames: Margaret
- Select Quarter: July, Aug, Sept
- Enter district name: Liverpool
- Enter Volume Number: 8b
- Enter Page Number: 540
- Click on the space after Delivery Service - Standard
- Number of Certificates: 1
- For "Your reference" just enter a few letters or initials if you want a reference for your order
- Click submit
- Enter your address
- Click submit
- Check summary
- Click "Checkout" to arrange purchase

The certificate costs £9.25 in British currency that is about 98 Danish Krone.


Blue

[Blue70]

On the 1871 Scotland Census there was a Boatswain called James Morrison, aged 33, born Ebinae Denmark, on a vessel in the vicinity of Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Govan is on the River Clyde. There's a James Marris born Denmark on the 1861 England Census:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M743-Z8N


Blue

[MaryA]

Thank you to all our Forum Members for your help. Our new member - who has also joined the Society - got in touch with me about this research and I could do no better than recommend that he join our Forum as we have such a great group of friends and excellent researchers, and you have proved this so much.

[Danish]

I agree with Mary. It is a great, friendly and excellent group of reserachers.
And thanks Blue I have now asked for the certificate, and hope that will give me some more information in my (our!) search.

Please let me know if you are able to find more in this case.
Best regards.
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

This corner property is 9 York Street where the family were living in 1871. It is now occupied by Heaney & Watson solicitors:-

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.40162 ... 312!8i6656


Blue

[Blue70]

The property 9 York Street in 1871 was in multiple occupation it contained the following families:-

Harvey

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J29

Connor

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J23

Morrison

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J2H

Fletcher

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J26

Munro

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J2V

Gardiner

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J22

Hunter

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J2P

Bland

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXG-J2T



Blue

[Alison C]

A thought...the name "Nergan" as appeared on Polly's marriage certificate. Could it be a bad transcription of "Mary Ann"?

Alison

[MaryA]

A thought...the name "Nergan" as appeared on Polly's marriage certificate. Could it be a bad transcription of "Mary Ann"?

Alison

I wonder if Danish would be able to share a scan of the certificate so that we could offer an opinion. Instructions to show a picture in your message here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =16&t=9817

[Danish]

Dear Blue, Mary and Allison

Thank you, very great! I am for sure going to visit that place some day.
Yes, it seems like it could be him - James - working in Scotland as a boatswain (even there is about one year missing regarding his age at that time...), but the name Eninae does'nt make any bell ring, but he was from the fishermens town Hornbaek and that was close to Elsingor (Helsingoer).

Polly's 'special' name Nergan only is to see on a census list, and were she was a maid. In my ears it sound plausible that it is misspelled, and that should have been Mary Ann (Maria Anna), especially if she did pronounced it in the english way.

By the way, here is a list (Church) where you can see her marriage data: http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/sogn28 ... slag214757
Her father, Jens Mogensen/James Morrison was dead at that time, which it also says.

1. It seems that Margeret is from Ireland, as for her aunt - as the Census 1871 says. Would it be possible to see if she was there earlyer (and other Census?), perhaps her father, which might have been a Mallen/Mellon (and mother) were there? I have asked GRO for James' and Margeret's marriage certificate, so I will perhaps know a bit more when that arrive.

2: Is it different to find data in Ireland. For example looking for the aunt to Margeret? Or do we need to know more e.g. birth, marriage etc?

Just for your inrformation. In Denmark there was a war in 1864 - between Denmark and Germany/Austria, that was about the southern part of Denmark, and we loss (1/5 of the area, which Denmark partly got back in 'the great reunion' in 1920). Anyway, I wonder if James went away so he did not had to go to war. Or perhaps because he was a fisher/seaman he did not had to go. I just had the idea that he had left Denmark before 1864.

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

On the 1861 England Census (address: Court 27 House 5 in Charters Street) there is a Jane Mallan, (I think it says w for widow) aged 42 born Ireland, daughter Margaret Mallan aged 13 born Ireland, son in law Michael Norton, aged 20 born Liverpool, daughter Elizabeth Norton aged 23 born Ireland and granddaughter Sarah Norton aged 2 months born Liverpool. Michael Norton and Elizabeth Mallon were married at St Augustine's RC church Liverpool in 1860. Elizabeth's father was called James so if the Margaret Mellen in the 1865 marriage has a father called James this family would be a good match. This Margaret Mallon was godmother to Mary Jane Norton in 1864 at Our Lady of Reconciliation RC church but does not appear on any other baptism records. The 1881 England Census says that Elizabeth Norton was born in Belfast, County Antrim, Ireland (address: 58 Portland Street). The mother Jane Mallon (address: Court 6 House 1 in Portland Street) on the 1881 England Census has place of birth as Lisburn, Ireland (this is south west of Belfast). We will have to wait and see what the marriage certificate says about Margaret's father.


Blue

[Blue70]

The surnames Mallon and Mellon are most common in Northern Ireland try entering them on here:-

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/index.htm


Blue