Cold Case - Next thing to get your teeth into?

Post by **colette** » 20 Nov 2009 14:24

Hi

Gods knows i have paperwork all over the kitchen and ref books too.
Heath St ran accross Myrtle St now in 1841 Henry Bickerstaff was at Blucher St near by.. he marries Mary Jane McCamley st nics 1842..has Elizabeth b 1846, Henry b 1849 & Thomas b 1851..not sure what happened to them all.. wife Mary Jane dies June 1851..on the census they lived at Holden St the other end of Myrtle St... thats how he met..Margaret ..the son John Kent born 1854 i dont know if hes Henry's or not.. but possible.. but because they were not married hes not named Bickerstaff..

So at least we know Margaret's there in Liverpool in 1841..she could have had a daughter and because she had to work someone might be minding her in Cheshire.. its the name Margaret Ann.. her name and her mothers name.. that has me thinking shes hers........

xxx

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Nov 2009 14:37

Has Colette cracked the case? I'm beginning to think so, despite not having a birth/christening record.

Votes please?

Post by **simone** » 20 Nov 2009 15:50

Hi

Yes, looking good Mary

Col you must be doing absolutely nothing else

are you tired yet

Simone x

Post by **Hilary** » 20 Nov 2009 16:20

John Kent son of Margaret Kent of Hinderton christened Neston 1853 01 18 (from Cheshire Parish register projects so he was an illegitimate son!!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Nov 2009 18:02

I knew about that entry! In view of who was in the household in 1851, I'm wondering who was the father ..........

Post by **simone** » 20 Nov 2009 18:06

Blimey.. on the IGI all the time

Margaret Kent m Henry Bickerstaff, father Thomas Kent
11 DEC 1861 St Simon'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

sorry I know you did say Col

Simone x

Post by **Hilary** » 20 Nov 2009 18:46

Margaret's father was Thomas mother Anne Meadows but maybe Fred was told his father was Thomas the blacksmith! or maybe he just invented it to look better or used Thomas (grandfather) who was dead as a name!!

Isn't family history great!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **simone** » 20 Nov 2009 19:00

Who's Fred

have I missed something

Simone x

Post by **colette** » 20 Nov 2009 20:42

Hi Simone

( QUOTE BY SIMONE....Sorry, confused According to CPR site, Hannah baptised 13/4/1845 is daughter of John and Jane living at Birkenhead. )

sorry you are right i had Hannah on the brain..Hannah is the wife of James Kent..John's brother so she would be his sister in law she dies the same time as his daughter IS BORN.. so they call her Hannah after her..

I saw Margaret in 1841 in Heath St..i also saw a Margaret Kent & daug Margaret aged 1 in Baptist St Lpool..these two are born Lancashire though.. i got excited as thought maybe your Maggie was born earlier than we thought.

But i think i will investigate these two 10 years on just to make extra sure..

Thinking Neston is pretty good for its old parish records.. so if Margaret Ann was Margaret's more than likely shes baptised in Liverpool ..prob i have is she woud be with Margaret in 1851 Neston and shes not

so its not looking too promising..BUT i still think Margaret Ann is connected to these Kents

I found John's son Thomas in 1861 in Moreton as for James and Hannah still cant find them two.
xx

Post by **simone** » 20 Nov 2009 20:59

colette wrote:as for James and Hannah still cant find them two.
xx

Hi Col
do you mean in 1841

HO107; Piece 124; Book: 6; Neston; Cheshire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 10

Great Neston
James Rent 30 labourer
Hannah Rent 36
Ann Cottrell 15 female servant
John Webster 70 blacksmith

Simone x

Post by **Hilary** » 20 Nov 2009 22:17

Sorry I've gone mad ignore me! Don't know who Fred is myself!!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **colette** » 20 Nov 2009 22:27

Hi Simone & Hilary think we have all gone stir crazy haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

James & Hannah Rent/ Kent.. Hannah is the one that died 1845.. James is the brother of Margaret & John.

The James & Hannah i can not find are Johns two kids to Jane.....i can't see them in 1861 jessssssssssss they all have the same names no wonder its hard..

Heres a thought what if Margaret Ann Kent was Lunt

what if she was a cousin and thats why they ran off to Winwick to marry aye they say its always someone you know well sometimes.. change LUNT to KENT..JUST ALTER TWO FIRST LETTERS.. or am i deffo going mad haaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeee.

Do you know we aint even gotta a clue on this one have we.. the Haswell case we had a few clues..Mary i am gonna k...ll you honey you know i wont give up i'll be on this till this time next year haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..I'll be having my Xmas dinne ron my knee on a tray LOL..

XX

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Nov 2009 08:59

I'm killing myself laughing here!! You are going round in the same circles as I've done for years!

I'm sorry girls, I have no more clues for her, still awaiting the birth certificate for Margaret Hosker but despatch date isn't until next week - I'm beginning to wonder if I'll even remember why I ordered that particular one by the time it gets here since we've wandered so far away from there.

My Margaret seems to have claimed a couple of different mothers now - the parish priest was Fred's father and the gypsies were her godparents!!

Somebody once sent me a note of the only Lunt connected with Neston in 1841 as they thought it would be useful ...... don't even go down that line!!! we'd be more confused than ever if there was a link that far back!

Post by **simone** » 21 Nov 2009 09:07

Education Officer wrote:Sorry I've gone mad ignore me! Don't know who Fred is myself!!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Haaaaaaaa

hilary..ous

sorry hilary couldn't resist

killing myself laughing here, like Mary

Perhaps it's a psychic clue Hilary, perhaps Fred know where she is

Well girls I've been all over Neston, Ness, Great and Little, and I can't see her..have been looking at Mary's very suspiciously in case they are Marg's

I reckon we should have a party when she is found

Perhaps her mum didn't admit to her so she's not on census at all

Off to look for James and Hannah now Col has put me right

Nice to wake to a smile

Simone x

Post by **colette** » 21 Nov 2009 11:00

Seriously..

Margaret Ann doesn't seem to have a soul in the world regarding family does she..

every census she working for someone...her one and only child is with strangers...her only family are the Rogersons really.

Mary were is her husband buried ? maybe a clue there..

xx

Post by **colette** » 21 Nov 2009 11:01

Hi

1876 Birth of son William Richardson Lunt on 9 August 1876
1877 Death of husband on 14 July, 1877
1877 Birth of daughter Mary Ellen on 13 December, 1877
1878 Death of daughter Mary Ellen on 27 September, 1878

What addresses did all these events happen at ??

also did it give a house no for Poplar Rd 1915, 25th January

xx

Post by **simone** » 21 Nov 2009 11:43

No col

she doesn't seem to have anyone

could she be a foundling

Aren't there some records of foundlings

Simone x

Post by **colette** » 21 Nov 2009 12:09

Hiya

A foundling more like an Alien haaaaaaaaa anyways i am off out need the air..Southport shopping BHS sale whay not ....hes gone the match..

xx

Post by **Hilary** » 21 Nov 2009 12:40

I think I was thinking about a Fred for someone else and they got muddled in my brain along with George Jones the boiler maker.

Hope you get lots of bargains at BHS Col

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **simone** » 21 Nov 2009 13:06

Hi Hilary

I'm the same, I've noticed a couple of Haswell's whilst searching for Margaret Anne, and so nearly ended up searching for Carol's family again

Get exited when I spot something and then realise I'm with the wrong family

Simone x

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