Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Greetings from Australia.
I'm chasing the Scott family, who originated from Poole, Dorset, and were apparently involved in the shipping industry. The original James Scott was born c1790 and married Elizabeth Randall at Poole in 1815. This James was a 'Shiopwner' and Master Mariner, and the couple had 9 children. One of the children was my great, great grandmother, Sophia Jane Scott b1827 and she married a William Lash Heyward in London before departing for Australia, where they raised their family. William Lash Heyward was also a Master Mariner. Of the other Scott children, James Randall Scott b1817, Augustus Frederick Scott b1821, Edwin Wade Scott b1825 and perhaps William Henry Scott b18130 (he died in Australia), were all Master Mariners, and were all born at Poole, Dorset. James Randall Scott appears for have moved from his birthplace of Poole to Liverpool, where he married Anne Mason in 1839. Their children were Edwin William Scott b1853, Ann Mason Scott b1848, Elizabeth Mason Scott b1840, Emma Sophia Scott b1851, Mary Louisa Scott b1846 and Mercy Louisa Scott b1845...all born at Liverpool, Lanc.
The Scott family vanish in and out of the Census records, and I think that I have found some of them in South Africa and Chile...so it is obvious that they travelled a lot. I would love to find someone connected to the children of James Randall Scott, in the attempt to put the Scott story together. Anyone out there connected to the Scott family from the 1850's??
Many thanks,
Rap

Welcome to our forum

Mercy Louisa Scott died in 1877. The 1871 census shows her with her mother and sister at 78 Park Street Toxteth Park. She has no apparent descendants

Edwin William Scott was christened on 9 Nov 1853 and buried at st Michael's on 13 November 1854 address 53 Park Street so no descendants

All the children's baptisms are on Ancestry.

Hi Hilary,
Many thanks for your warm welcoming response!

Thankyou also for the death info for Mercy Louisa...yes, I do have the baptisms of the children, but had not found this death or the death of Edwin William...so that is great!

I have made some progress with the Scott family, having found Emma Sophia b1851 (daughter of James Randall Scott & Anne Mason) married to a Joshua Orrett in 1873, and the couple immigrating to Canada in 1875...this is a great find, as it now confirms that the Scott family did re-settle in different countries. I am off to find more of them in Canada and the USA. I guess if you have your own shipping business, you could go 'anywhere' in those days!!

Thankyou for your time and effort Hilary.

Best wishes
Rap

Hello Rap and welcome from the Wild West!
Good luck, you've come to the right place.
I'm guessing you have James Randall in 1861 census?
and Ann and kiddies in 1851?
Best wishes
Tina

Hi Tina
Thankyou for your warm wishes.....yes, I have the Census records thanks....just trying to track down some of the old newspapers from Toronto Ontario to see if there was anything of interest that happened to the family of James Randall Scott and Ann Mason once they had immigrated in 1875. I think that I am making progress slowly with this lot...it's a bit like trying to find 'Smiths' and 'Jones'...there's thousands of them!!

So many thanks Tina for your time, and with my best wishes

Rosie

Hi

You may already have this info but here goes

Marriage 20.1.1852 St Mary, Whitechapel

William Lash Heyward widower full age master mariner - father Thomas Heyward occ cooper

Sophia Jane Scott spinster full age - father James Scott occ shipowner

His parents perhaps??

THOMAS HEYWARD OR HAYWARD Spouse: JULIA LASH
Marriage: 28 DEC 1804 Alphington, Devon

Baptisms of following children show Thomas's occ as cooper

MARY ANN HAYWARD Gender: Female Birth: 22 JAN 1808
Christening: 17 FEB 1808 Saint George In The East, Stepney, London,

THOMAS HENRY HEYWARD - Birth: 03 APR 1810
Christening: 30 MAY 1810 Saint George In The East
Burial 8th July 1810 Saint George In The East

THOMAS HEYWARD - Birth: 27 OCT 1812
Christening: 20 NOV 1812 Saint George In The East

JULIA HEYWARD Birth: 01 OCT 1806
Christening: 25 OCT 1806 Saint George In The East

Hi Carole,
Thanks so much for this information...I have little bits of it, but you have been able to fill in some dates for me. Yes, William Lash was a widow, and I have found his first wife buried in Sri Lanka. I can't find any sign of this first marriage in records, so assume that someone has married them on board one of the ships at some time...or perhaps they were married in some other country!! So much yet to find of this story 'me thinks'!!
Thankyou for your kind help.
Best wishes
Rap

Hi,
I'm also looking into William Lash Heyward born 1847 his parents i think are Thomas and Elizebeth Lash married in 1840 possibly Guernsey, is this your man???? If it is i would love to know details about the death of his first wife you have and anything else you know. If it is your man i can tell you that they ended up in Zealand and im his GG Grand daughter....wow lol

Thanks Angus x

Hi and welcome to the forum. Rap isn't a regular poster of this forum, however I hope they pick up notification that there has been a response to this post and return to get in touch with you.

Good luck.

That's just great you have found the forum and this post Angus
William Lash Heywood is in New Zealand electoral roll in 1870-71 Tasman, Collingwood, freehold looks like Aorere sections of land 81-83
You probably have all this info.
For the crew it's at the very northernmost tip of the South Island of N.Z
Tina

He was a grocer in Nelson in 1890

Something to add to Rap's post
Death aged 50yrs Armadale, Victoria Aust
Sophia Hayward
father Lash Wm, mother Sophia Jane Scott
1913
Born Tarnagulla (goldfields near Bendigo) 1862

Tina

Sadly another death
Louisa Heyward father Wm Lash (don't know why they do this?)
mother Sophia Jane Scott)
1943 Victoria aged 85 yrs.

Tina

Dear MaryA,
I was thrilled two weeks ago or so, on the occasion of my first geneaeolgy research attempt through Internet, to come across a message from a certain Rap who wrote : "I would love to find someone connected to the children of James Randall Scott, in the attempt to put the Scott story together. Anyone out there connected to the Scott family from the 1850's ?" That message was sent out on June 14, 2011 -- already three years ago !

Well, here I am... James Randall Scott was my Great-grand-father !
Of course, I never met him, but knew of his existence through my father, William Joshua Orrett (born on April 4, 1888 / died on July 6, 1981). He lived all his life in Toronto, Canada. His Mother was Emma Sophia Scott, daughter of James Randall Scott. As I am not home at present, I do not have all my data with me. But I do know that my Grandmother was buried with her husband, Joshua Orrett, in the same grave at St. John-the-Baptist Norway Cemetery in Toronto. On the tomb-stone is marked: "Emma Sophia Scott, daughter of Captain Scott of Liverpool, died at age 57 years". I have a photo of the tomb-stone which is available.

The William Joshua Orrett family is composed of seven children : 5 boys and two girls. I am the youngest of the family and am presently 82 years of age. I too am an "immigrant" having left Canada for France many years ago to marry a kind, loving Frenchman, Etienne Huser, who passed away in 2010. We have three children. France is my home...

I would be very grateful if you would deliver this message to Rap, as I am anxious to come in contact with my far-away relatives and to share information about our families -- direct descendants of James Randall Scott.
Thank you kindly in advance for your help in this matter. I do hope that our combined efforts will be crowned with success.
Warm greetings from France,
"Little Dorrett"

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately the member who made this post did not join the Society nor remain a member of the Forum, so I don't have any means of communicating with them.

If there is any way we can help you with any queries you have please let us know and we will do our best.

What a shame Mary. Welcome Little Dorrett and thank you for sharing so much information.

Re: CAPTAIN JAMES RANDALL SCOTT

Dear MaryA and Tina,
Thank you both for your prompt replies to my message of yesterday. I am sincerely disappointed that you are not able to get in contact with Rap. In the course of three years, many events can happen and I rather feared that there might be no further contact with your Forum from this person, as such is the case. Nonetheless, I shall go ahead by supplying further information which may be of interest to Tina or others who may be looking for information about Captain James Randall Scott's descendants.

First of all, I take the liberty to correct a sentence appearing in a message from Rosie to Tina (undated). It was not James Randall Scott and Ann Mason who immigrated to Toronto in 1875, but Joshua Orrett and Emma Sophia Scott (my paternal Grandparents). James Randall Scott and his wife lived in Liverpool and never left England.

My Father was not very communicative concerning his parents, which is most unfortunate as many questions remain unanswered for us all. Grandfather Joshua Orrett was a Master Cabinet Maker and as such found no problem to land a job upon arrival in Canada. He worked for many years as foreman in a biscuit-making factory called Christie Brown and Company, located in Toronto. He built his own home on 41 De Grassi Street where, to my knowledge, my Father was born and lived until his marriage with Lillian Foster in 1914. On my last visit to Toronto in 2012, with my daughter, we went together to see the home that Grandfather Joshua had built. Unfortunately it had been torn down, along with some others on the street, and the location has been turned into a nice little park. My brother Jack thinks, but is not sure, that he built another house by himself as well. I know nothing about Grandmother Emma Sophia except that "she did not put enough butter on the bread" !! (My Dad's only comment...)

Joshua Orrett and Emma Sophia Scott had four children : John / Ida / Minnie / and William Joshua (my Father). I am working on their birth and death dates -- as I am able. The data is not yet complete.
However, in the past few years -- as time and circonstances have allowed -- I have concentrated particularly on my Mother's ancestors. Just recently I have turned my attention to research on the Orrett clan.

For your interest -- and I hope it will help to fill in the family tree of my Great-Grandfather, Captain James Randall Scott --
please find below data concerning the family of William Joshua Orrett (his Grandson and my Father):

1) Gordon Donaldson Orrett (1915 -- 1994) Commercial Manager / No descesndants
2) William Scott Orrett (1917 -- 2010) Radio and TV Engineer / 3 children
3) Lillian (Bette) Audrey Orrett (1922 -- 2004) Accountant / 1 daughter
4) Jack Thomas Orrett (1924 -- ...) Computer technician / 5 children
5) Frank Albert Orrett (1927 -- 1969) Accountant / 3 children
6) Thomas James Orrett (1930 -- 1997 ?) School Principal / 5 children
7) Doris Susan Orrett (1932 -- ...) Secretary / 3 children
Still-born female (1936 -- date of our Mother's decease)

I have made up this list by memory (not having my data with me), so there may be an error or two, particularly concerning time of deaths.

Dear friends, that is all for now. In the coming months I shall try to get the Orrett data finalized. I shall pass it on in the hope that it may be of interest to someone "out there" -- particularly Rap who seems to have lost contact with the Forum.
Greetings from France,
Little Dorrett

Fantastic news, welcome back Rap!!
What a great connection for both of you.
Everyone here will be so pleased.

so good to hear from you, Rap! I am the daughter of little dorrett! she'll contact you as fast as she can!
things continue...
thanks to every body!
astrid

Hi everyone, this is a really interesting thread as I am distantly related to this Scott line but through Elizabeth Mary Scott, daughter of James Scott and Sophia Button, and sister to James Scott who marries Elizabeth Randell, who are the parents of Sophia Jane Scott who marries a William Lash Heyward. (I'm also interested in mariners who sailed the Pacific, and especially around New Zealand and between Australia and New Zealand because I have a mystery master mariner known only as Whitehouse who is supposedly the father of another ancestor in the early 1830s). Elizabeth Mary Scott marries a Walter Cr(a)ufurd Kennedy and I am also a Kennedy descendant.

I noted with interest that William Lash Heyward/Heywood also appeared to be in New Zealand as well as Victoria - but they appear to be different people (even though the similarity in name seems more than coincidental). The William Lash Heywood in New Zealand emigrates with his father, Thomas, and mother, Elizabeth, (previously Trist, maiden name Lash) in 1856 on the ship 'Inchinnan'. This William Lash Heywood was 9 years old in 1856, married a Mary Margaret Garlick and died in New Zealand on either 10 Dec 1920 or 8 July 1920 in either Wellington or Waipawa whereas the William Lash Heyward who marries Sophia Jane Scott dies in Victoria, Australia in 1886. Henrietta Olive Heyward, a younger sister of William Lash Heyward, marries John Godrich Lash in New Zealand in 1866.

I'm hoping someone else may have been able to work out if there is a connection between the two families and to sort out who the parents of the Australian William Lash Heyward are because some trees appear to have picked up the details for the New Zealand William Lash Heywood/Heyward family.

I wondered if anyone has much information about James Scott the ship owner and which ships he owned. I'm determined to work out who my mysterious 'Whitehouse' really was.

Cheers, giludru