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hi , im looking for marriage details of a william cain who married a catherine claugue , who lived at 39 rhye stret bootle liverpool, in 1891,had several children my nan was one of them her name is unusual, alice scaffe, cain born in july in 1891 liverpool ,, catherine i believe may have been illeterate ,, my nan married a thomas smith in liverpool in april 1914 , thomas born possibly in ireland in 1882,,,, phew thats all i know for now hoping someone can help as this family history is taking over my life ,,, well for now thanks.

Hi,
Please confirm how you know William actually married Catherine Claugue? If her very unusual surname is on a birth cert for one of the children please scan the image and post it here so we can have a looksee. I ask because there isn't a single Claugue in England and Wales in 1881 and 1891! But there is a Claug family in Liverpool.

EDIT: For the crew... The family address in 1891 is 39 Rhyl Street, Walton On The Hill, Bootle. Catherine's origin is blank on the 1891 but a later census says Ballasalla, IoM. Married 25 years putting the year abt 1885. And! They had 10 kiddies, all living!

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Hi

William and his wife Catherine are from the Isle of Man, Douglas

1891 census
RG12; Piece: 2975; Folio: 24; Page: 41 at Bootle
William Caine 27 Dock Labourer b Isle of Man
Catherine A Caine 25
Catherine J Caine 4
William T Caine 2
Ester E Caine 1


1901

RG13; Piece: 3410; Folio: 67; Page: 28
William Cain 37 b Isle of Man
Catherine Cain 35 b Isle of Man
Catherine Cain 14
William Cain 12
Esther Cain 11
Alice Cain 9
John Cain 7
George Cain 6
Charles Cain 3
Annie Cain 2
all children born Liverpool

Childrens baptisms are on Ancestry, nothing on them to indicate maiden name

If William and Catherine were married it looks very much like an IoM marriage, circa 1885. Can't find them anywhere else.

Plenty of possibilities for both on Isle of Man census'.. but need something more concrete...
Reckon they probably married in Isle of Man

hi simone wow sooo excited with your reply im a very bunny right now ive no further information on william apart that he may have lived at 80 great howard street in 1914 ,,,, hope this helps and again thank u so much for ur reply

hi dickiesam , thank u for ur reply, my brother found the name on a letter a few weeks ago the writing had faded so may be the spelling is clague ,,, it looks like william and catherine were from the iom my reasearch results are now improving amazingly thank u

Baptism thinks Alice's name is Scarf, but then that could be wrong. St Paul's Kirkdale

hi mary , yep that baptism is the one alice was born 27/7/1891,,,, is the any way i can view the image larger or save the image hahaha thank you omg cannot believe the info i have recieved over the last few hours thanks .

marriage.. witnessed by sister Esther and father William

sister Esther

I think you need to confirm mum's maiden name by getting a birth certificate of one of the children..
does the letter you have found refer to Clague being Catherine's maiden name or does it just mention the name in some other context?

I've tried to find a marraige on here

http://www.manxbmd.com/index.html

but don't think the index transcriptions are complete yet


Alice's birth reg

Alice Scarfe Cain
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 457

you can order the certficate from here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Simone x

hi simone ,name clague is the maiden name of catherine i have a feeling it may be copy of marriage cert ,, there was an x for her signature now remembering little things my brother told me oh i cannot see image u last sent me x

Hi

Can you get hold of that marriage certificate? It will tell you the details of William's and Catherine's fathers' and we can try and confirm them on the census...

which image can't you see? I have only posted the 2 marriage certficates, one for Alice and one for Esther?

Simone x

morn simone ,, its ok images have came through and thank u soooooo much , have a nice day

Any images that are posted on the forum you can download by right clicking and choosing the option to "save as".

Here is the marriage record below. Please note that the church is Holy Trinity, Toxteth Park. Walton on the Hill was the old parish name for the area that included Toxteth Park. Most Manx people headed for Toxteth when they arrived in Liverpool there was a Manx community there:-






Blue

Well done Blue! Breakthrough...
There's a whole heap of CLAGUE folk in Lancashire in 1881 and 1891. And they say... what's in a name? A lot I say! And Thomas Clague seems to be a preferred name for a policeman from the IoM. Found 3 so far in Liverpool in 1891. Unfortunately none of them are doubling up as labourers.

Nice one Blue

Simone x