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I have Ian George Coupe born 1918 Prescot Reg.
Mothers Maiden Name : Johnston.

Really struggling to find a marriage for a Johnston & Coupe in or around Prescot, St.Helens

Can anyone help please.

Thanks Margie.

Hi Margie Do you know any christian names?

closest I'm getting at the mo is - from Lancs BMD
1916
JOHNSON Harold
COOPE Lilian A H
Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended
Prescot
R/100/65

From Ancestry

jun q 1916
Harold Johnson
Spouse Surname: Coops
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1168

may not be right though

Not Prescot or St Helen's area, but the marriage could have been elsewhere...

Robert Coupe married Gertrude Johnson
Registration district: Preston.
Year/qtr of registration: 1916 / Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 8E; Page no: 1058.

Marriages Sep 1906

Johnston Margaret COUPE James Carlisle 10b 959

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Marriages Sep 1908


JOHNSTON Edith COUPE Alfred Carlisle 10b 967

If you have the details of his birth you may need to send for the certificate to find out his parent's first names, this will help finding a marriage for them. Moya

Thanks everyone for your help, will look into those marriages mentioned.
But looks like will have to send for BC, in the near future.

Margie

margie wrote:Thanks everyone for your help, will look into those marriages mentioned.
But looks like will have to send for BC, in the near future.

Margie

Bear in mind there may not have been a marriage. The father may have agreed to give his name to the child to avoid the stigma of illegitimacy. Alternatively, the mother may have given the child the surname Coupe and there may not be a father's name on the birth cert. That happened with my maternal g.father's first child. The 18 year old mother gave her son the father's surname but didn't marry the father until nearly 6 months later.

Hi Margie
Someone in Anx has put a correction to Ian's surname.
Do you have subs to contact them at all?
Cheers

Tina wrote:Hi Margie
Someone in Anx has put a correction to Ian's surname.
Do you have subs to contact them at all?
Cheers

Hi Tina,
What was the change? This is the birth from the GRO Index:

COUPE, Ian G
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year/qtr of registration: 1918 / Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Johnston
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 1092.

Hi Brian

It is transcribed as Ian C Coupe on Anc*, someone has corrected to Ian G

Simone x

Up-date.

Ian George died 24 May 1943 Moor Road Orrell Wigan.
Buried Grave Number 2510 Section 6U Widnes Cem:

Also in the same grave are :

George Stephen Coupe died 1928 age 61 lived in Widnes
Jessica Coupe nee Poulson wife of G.S. died 1951 age 80 in Knutsford.

The last 2 I have all the info for them.

Was Ian somehow related to GS & Jessica ?

Margie

I think this will provide the link. I was puzzled at why Ian died so young... From the CWGC site:

DEATH:
COUPE, IAN GEORGE
Rank: Flight Sergeant
Service No: 550104
Date of Death: 24/05/1943
Age: 25
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force
Grave Reference Sec.6U. Grave 2510
Cemetery: WIDNES CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of George Coupe, of Orrell, Lancs.

But it would seem Jessica was not his mother. Need to see the birth cert. I have a feeling Ian may have been adopted? I'll have to think that through.

Well I would think so, but the 1901 census is a bit puzzling, wonder where George is.

46 Albert Road, Widnes
Jessica (Poulson crossed out) Coupe Head M 29 Pork Butcher Own Account At Home Lancashire, Widnes
Harry son 8 " "
George son 6 " "
Fred son 4 " "
Norah daur 11 months " "
Lucy Jordan Servant S 23 Shop Assistant " Bold
Lizzie Maitland " " 16 Domestic Servant " "
Gertie Handley " " 13 Domestic Nursegirl Cheshire Runcorn
RG13; Piece: 3513; Folio: 150; Page: 5

And anybody looking later check CONPE. Jessica again at home claiming to be wife but no George, married 19 years, with children plus Allen and Maurice both 5 and Ethel 3, with a couple of servants.

Hi Marge,
If you have this marriage cert:
COUPE, George Stephen married POULSON, Jessie.
Registration district: Prescot
Year/qtr of registration: 1891 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B, Page no: 1228

What was George's occupation?

Thanks to you all for the help.
DS.
Sorry dont have the MC but in 1891 George was still at home occupation Pork Butcher.

All the Coupe,s I have lived in St.Helens or Widnes and as far as I know there is no connection with
Wigan apart from Ian G. dying there.

Unless his Father if it is the George who was married to Jessica left home to live with with ? Johnston definately will send for the BC.

Kind Regards to you all

Margie

margie wrote:All the Coupe,s I have lived in St.Helens or Widnes and as far as I know there is no connection with Wigan apart from Ian G. dying there. Margie

Hi,
To be listed on the CWGC website, Flight Sergeant Ian George Coupe will have died on active service and is buried in Widnes Cemetery. Because you now have his RAF service number you can possibly apply for his service record.

Just a thought. Could Jessica and George S be Ian's grandparents as he is buried with them. Their son George b.1895 could be Ian's father but didn't marry his mother.

Marchbird

DS & Marchbird,

Thank you both for your help.

Best Wishes Margie

Margie, Ian Coupe Parents where George and Davinda Reid Johnston. Davinda was a Scot and they married as follows.

PARENTS MARRIAGE
George Coupe
Davidina Reid Johnston
8th November 1916
The House, 30 Ferry Road, Leith

Ian Died of TB, and was until Feb this year not recognised by the CWGC.

Some more info for you.

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/non-commem ... coupe.html
http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -30383942/
http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -30383944/

SIBLINGS
COUPE, HARRY,
Born 1920, LEITH SOUTH, EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN
Died 1966, Widnes aged 46.

DEATH
DEATH RECORD
Name: Ian G Coupe
Birth Date: abt 1918
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Ince
Inferred County: Lancashire

DEATH CERT
Flight Sergeant 550104, Ian George Coupe
died 24 May 1943 at 42 Moor Road, Orrell,
Died of TB.