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Hello,my g.grandfather is shown on the 1901 census as 'beerseller', and another ancestor in the same village ran a local inn,both premises are long demolished.Is it likely I can find more information?

Hi Red Tom and welcome to the forum.
If you could give some names and places we maybe to help you further through census and directories.
All the best with your search.
Cheers

Good morning Tina, thanks for your help.One was John Pilkington,he was shown at The Beehive in Cronton in (Ithink) 1901,the other was Elijah Briscoe,in the 1901 census,he was 'beerseller' at the Hen and Chicken,Chapel Bridge Road, Cronton.(Tarbock). I have reason to believe that Briscoe was in the trade previously,possibly c 1880 in the same area.

Breweries often have records of tenants going way back, even if the pub is long gone - that's if the brewery has survived, too.

Good morning Fledge, the difficulty could possibly be discovering the name of the brewery involved, as I haven't as yet found any pictures of the pubs concerned.

As you are inquiring about Pubs in Cronton/Tarbock you need access to a Lancashire Directory also it may be worth getting in touch with Lancashire Record Office and asking about Victuallers Licenses also I do know that there were reports in the Local paper when renewal of the Licenses took place. I don't know offhand if they appeared before Prescot Magistrates or Widnes.

Thank you for that Katie, I'll give it a try.

Have a look at this site. There is a picture of the Beehive on it.

www.history.knowsley.gov.uk/cronton.html

Oh good find! There you go, RT, just as it was in your relative's day.

Thank you Fledge, and also Hilary for the link, I have found a member of Cronton parish council and perhaps I can glean a little more info from that source.

Hi folks, prior to 1901 Elijah was a coal miner as was his father Thomas.
His wife Mary bn Scotland and daughter Ada Maud bn Tarbock like her Dad.
He may have died in 1927.
1911 have him listed as Elizah@@ error sent to anx.
He's a publican at the Quarry Inn Pottery Whiston, 62 wife Mary 59 bn Kirkcudbright married 30 yrs 1 child living 2 deceased.
Ada 23 bn Tarbock,
Moses brother 65 married labr bn Tarbock
Lancs BMD have a marriage of Ada Maud to George H Underwood, St Michael Huyton 1915
I hope this is of some help

Thank you Tina,I didn't know about the Quarry Inn, or his two deceased children,you've saved me a lot of work.

You're welcome R.T
I'd love a Moses Briscoe in my tree, a great name to research.
In 1891 Moses is widowed 45 publican living in Chapel Rd Tarbock, previous street was Cronton Rd.
He has a 1 month old grandson name of Moses, isn't that lovely!
There's also his niece Mary Dingsdale 27 single born in Tarbock, perhaps a relative of his wife?
(Prior to this census Moses was a coal miner)
Added later
Moses married Margaret Dingsdale St Michael Huyton in 1867
she died aged 40 in 1886 sadly.

Sorry to go on a bit here R.T you probably don't need all this stuff but I found baby Moses as Briscol in 1911, looks like his mother was Annie, born before she married.
Will send an error to Anx for wee Moses surname.
Annie is a Yarwood in St Helens with more kiddies.
Will for Moses Quarry Inn Whiston genl labr 1.9.1918 to
Samuel Briscoe work's foreman 220 pounds 10s 5d
I believe Moses remarried to another Margaret.

Hi Tina, and thank you for your help.My grandfather and his brother were illegitimate, and as I was unable until recently to discover his father, I researched his mother's line further than I might have otherwise. I'm glad I did,as I discovered links that I would otherwise have missed.
There are several families in the area which are interweaved with others, and my mum had Briscoes, Dingsdales, and more in her line.I have collected a fair bit of info re all of these connections, but as there seems to be no local history set-up for me to contact (yet) I collect any info available.( to perhaps do a private mini history of the families concerned if I ever find the time!) Thanks again Tina.

Well Redtom it just so happens that I live in Whiston and I have spent many a time hanging out in Whiston Churchyard. Briscoe/Dingsdale are common Whiston names. I have researched the Whiston War Memorial and I have some knowledge on the Local History. We held a Whiston Community Heritage day in 2010 and we had plans of the mines, old photo's and all kinds of Heritage stuff.

George Henry Underwood who married Ada was Killed in WW1 I have a newspaper report of his death also a inscription from the headstone in Whiston Churchyard-Small World

That's very interesting Katie,and If you don't mind, I will get in touch via pm at some point to discuss this, as I have developed an interest in this side of my family and am keen to fill out the blanks as much as possible.The photos you mention sound interesting too, as does the heritage day.

Katie wrote:George Henry Underwood who married Ada was Killed in WW1 I have a newspaper report of his death also a inscription from the headstone in Whiston Churchyard-Small World

I'd be interested to see it,but I don't want to stray too far from the original post, I wonder if you could send the info as an email, or pm?

Good work Katie, sad about George Underwood.