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G'day,

My first post..

One of my contacts gave me your web site address, as she suggested that someone may know my Grandfather's family, and their contact details.

For a few years, on and off, I have not being able to locate my grandfather's family, his siblings , and their children.

Using Ancestry & Genes, I have made contact with several CROSBY in Liverpool via email,
however, they are not directly related to David & siblings.
The only close match i had on Genes was one who had Davids siblings on her tree, however Elsie did not reply to
my emails.

I do have 2 photo's of some of Davids nieces, taken in 1944, one has a name who is a girl 10yr 19.11.1944 ( now 79'ish ) ,
the other two women ( no names ) approx 20yrs old. ( who would now be 95'ish )

The story .....

David Crosby
Born at 24 Halewood Rd MUCH WOOLTON on 10th Jan 1892 . Died 2nd Dec 1939 Sydney Australia


I have also located Annie to be called ANN and also to be called INNES

SAMUEL CROSBY was born 04 Apr 1863 in Wood Lane, Little Woolton, Lancashire ( Prescot Registration District ).
He married ANNIE INNIS 1883 in Liverpool.
ANNIE was born 1865 in Woolton, Lancashire. Also called ANN and INNIS or INNES
Annie was 18 with her first child, and 44 with her last ( ? )
Annie Died 15 Jan 1943 ( 76) ( 4 years after David )

Children of SAMUEL CROSBY and ANNIE INNIS are:
i. WILLIAM CROSBY, b. Abt. 1883, Woolton; d. 15 Jan 1964, Lewes, County of East Sussex.
ii. HANNAH CROSBY, b. Abt. 1885, Halewood.
iii. LOUISA CROSBY, b. Abt. 1886, Halewood, Lancashire.
iv. ELLEN CROSBY, b. Abt. 1888, Halewood.
v. ROBERT CROSBY, b. Abt. 1890, Gateacre, Lancashire.
vi. DAVID CROSBY, b. Abt. 1892, Gateacre, Lancashire, England.
vii. SAMUEL CROSBY, b. Abt. 1894, Liverpool, Lancashire, England.
viii. SARAH CROSBY, b. Abt. 1897, Liverpool, Lancashire, England.
ix. HARRY CROSBY, b. Abt. 1899, Woolton, Lancashire, England.
x. THOMAS K CROSBY, b. 1901, Woolton, Lancashire, England.
xi. HANNAH CROSBY, b. 1902.
xii. HELEN CROSBY, b. 1903.
xiii. JAMES CROSBY, b. 1905. twin
xiv. JOHN CROSBY, b. 1905. twin
xv. ANNIE CROSBY, b. 16 Feb 1909, Lancashire.



David worked as a carpenter for Liverpool Esq J & E Rimmer Contractors ( <-- hard to read the actual hand writing ).

David left for Australia at 18 in 1910, working as a carpenter in Townsville. Queensland

David joined Australian Imperial Forces A.I.F. 17/09/1914 15th Battalion as a BUGLER
service #124 . aged 22years 8 months and departed Melbourne. Victoria.
29/12/1914 on HMAS Ceramic. 15th Bat being volunteers from Queensland & Tasmania

( google search : Private David Crosby pte David Crosby )

David served WW1 - Egypt & Gallipoli
David was on the second boat that landed on Gallipoli
He received war wounds , 17/05/1915’ish , on the Gallipoli Peninsular
Bullet/Bomb wound Abdomen, Penis, Groin, Right Arm, Left Leg
24/05/1915 admitted into a Hospital ,Valletta . Malta
28/06/1915 admitted 2nd Western General Hospital Manchester
19/08/1915 admitted Harefield Hospital Middlesex Discharged 17/09/1915
05/10/1915 Departed Plymouth " SUEVIC " for Australia

( it is also noted, (on google search) that he had a Bayonet Wound,
Fractured Knee a Broken Finger & Wrist , i was not able to locate that fact on his service records )

I do have David's War medals.

Back in Australia, David worked as a Jackaroo ( stockman ) on a farm ( where he met my grandmother ) on a
farm name " MERCADOOL " Walgett , in country outback New South Wales. 665 km (415miles ) North West of Sydney.

03 march 1917 , David married Erica Foster ( b1893 - d1967 ) at St Andrews Cathedral. Sydney. New South Wales.


David applied for & was allocated a SOLDIER SETTLER BLOCK in TARCUTTA New South Wales.
( A small place in country New South Wales. Half way along the road to Melbourne,
approx 430km (250miles ) South of Sydney. New South Wales. )
where this Liverpool lad was expected to build a house ( he was a carpenter ),
fence , & farm & crop this property. For some it was a great life, for others like David,
(who perhaps was not able to adapt to the isolation & dry climate of the Australian bush), it was not.

David & Erica - 4 children
ELNA b1918 - WILLIAM c 1919 d 2006 - ERICA c1920 d 2013 – LORRAINE b1925

David died 02/12/1939 at Randwick Military Hospital Sydney New South Wales ,
& Cremated 11/02/1939 at Eastern Suburbs Crematorium Sydney New South Wales.
He was given a Military funeral. My mother said that David still had a bullet
lodged in his liver / abdomen at his death.


Thank you for taking the time to read my grandfather's story ...
can you assist ?

regards Geoffrey
updated 05.07.13

Hi and welcome to the forum, I would ask that for privacy issues, you don't post any details of living people.

We have tried to put together some suggestions for tracing living people, here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =14&t=8154

Also for anybody else wishing to try to help, the details from the 1901 census, so giving the approximate years and places of birth are

32 Halewood Road, Much Woolton, Lancashire
RG13; Piece: 3509; Folio: 113; Page: 6
Samuel Crosby Head M 36 Railway Signalman Lancashire Woolton
Ann Wife M 26 " "
Louie daur 14 Domestic Servant " Wavertree
Robert son 12 " Gateacre
Ellen daur 13 " Halewood
David son 9 " Gateacre
Samuel son 7 " Liverpool
Sarah daur 4 " "
Harry son 2 " Woolton
Thomas Kit son 6 weeks " "

The age of Ann/Louie makes me think this is perhaps a second marriage for Samuel.

Perhaps wrong recording of Ann's age in 1901?

1911,
RG14 P22685,
9 Woolton Rd,

Declares 29 years married,

Samuel Cadsby (Crosby), transcription error.

Is, Innis, Annie's maiden name a typo

The marriage appears to be,


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about Samuel Crosby
Name:
Samuel Crosby
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
abt 1863
Age:
20
Father's Name:
William Crosby
Spouse's Name:
Annie Junes
Spouse's Age:
19
Spouse's Father's Name:
David Junes
Marriage Date:
4 Oct 1883
Marriage Place:
Edge Hill, Lancashire, England

According to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk the marriage was to Annie Jones at St Mary Edge Hill. Www.freebmd.org.uk gives it as both Jones And Junes.

Do you have David's birth certificate? If yes what does that state?

Hello Geoffrey, and welcome.

A likely marriage for Thomas K[itchen] Crosby..
Births Jun 1901: Crosby, Thomas Kitchen - Prescot 8b - 669
Actually born 19 February 1901 [from Death entry], so a late registration?
Thomas Kitchen Crosby died in West Lancashire June 1987.

Thomas K Crosby married Lucy R Nown
Registration district: West Derby, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1922; Sep qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 628.

With privacy in mind I am giving only the outline details of later events, no names, but a search of the indexes will fill in those gaps.
Appears to be only one child, a daughter, to the above marriage...
Births Dec qtr 1923 - W.Derby 8b - 1089
And she married in Liverpool South, Lancashire, 1942, Dec qtr.
Two sons born, 1945 and 1950. Both sons married and are very likely to be still alive. At least one had children. Both marriages took place in Crosby, Lancashire.

A search of Electoral Rolls, 2000 on, could possibly locate these brothers. I recommend http://tracegenie.com/ Gives you 24 hour continuous access for £3.50, but 'continuous' means don't log off the site!

I have a newspaper article for David published in the Liverpool Express. I copied it because the headline reads AND STILL SMILING-Riddled with bullets and bayoneted. Liverpool Australians Amazing Experience. There is a image of him as well. Quite a good write up,

This might be useful

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forum ... topic=9155

From Katie's post..... http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forum ... topic=9155

I am the grand daughter of Pte David Crosby. I didn't know him as he died long before I was born. My mother had told me that he was wanting to enlist for WWII but was in hospital and died in 1939 from the bullet in the liver.
We don't know much about his family. I was interested reading the information about his brothers. I wonder if there are any Crosby relatives still in the Garston area?

Obviously related to Geoffrey our current poster? Not sure about the Garston area but fairly sure there are rellies in or near Crosby.

dickiesam wrote:From Katie's post..... http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forum ... topic=9155

I am the grand daughter of Pte David Crosby. I didn't know him as he died long before I was born. My mother had told me that he was wanting to enlist for WWII but was in hospital and died in 1939 from the bullet in the liver.
We don't know much about his family. I was interested reading the information about his brothers. I wonder if there are any Crosby relatives still in the Garston area?

Obviously related to Geoffrey our current poster? Not sure about the Garston area but fairly sure there are rellies in or near Crosby.

Thankyou

I used Garston as that was the original information, i assume that the family has spread around the area.

regards Geoffrey

Geoffrey,
A note to add to the reference to the death of Thomas Kitchen Crosby...
The West Lancashire registration district would be adjacent to the area known as Crosby where I believe his g.sons may well be living, having both married there. It was created 1st of Jan 1974 out of Ormskirk, Ince, and Crosby registration districts.

See: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/dist ... shire.html

Geoffrey,
Had a go at tracking another one of Samuel and Annie's sons. Fairly confident I have tracked descendants up the the 1990s.

Births Jun 1890: Crosby, Robert Stanley - W. Derby - 8b - 288

Death: CROSBY, Robert S
Registration district: Liverpool North, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1951; Jun qtr
Age at death: 61
Volume no: 10D; Page no: 393

Robert S Crosby married Mary Kelly
Registration district: West Derby, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1921; Mar qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 722

I believe a son and a daughter were born to this marriage. Both married and I have found children and g.children to the son's marriage. Details via PM. Using the Electoral Rolls from 2000 you might be able to find addresses etc.

Hi David Crosby is my grandfathers brother. My grandfather is William Crosby born 21 December 1883 in Much Woolton in the County of Lancaster his parents being Samuel Crosby (b.04/04/1863) & Annie Crosby formerly Innes (b.16/09/1864). They were married on the 4th October 1883 so my grandfather was cutting it a bit fine! You seem to have too many Crosby's at this level as he told me he was one of thirteen. Having said that he did go off to live with his grandparents as he was cutting it a bit close. He left for sea at 13 to join the RN so he did not see a lot of his later brother & sisters. The last one living in this set was to my knowledge Annie Crosby who lived near Liverpool and my father went to see her towards the end of his life. I did hear from my grandfather that a couple of his brothers "jumped" ship and now live in Australia, so you probably have another relative close by.
Regards to all my Australian cousins.

Ken Crosby

Hi and welcome to the forum. Thanks for jumping straight in with information. The original poster only joined recently so hope they pick up the notification that you have replied and come along soon to speak with you.

Welcome aboard Ken, it's great you have found a connection here in our forum.
Interesting post, thank you.

My name is Martin Hornby my grandfather Tom k Crosby was david Crosby's brother my mother was Jean Hornby only child to Tom and Lucy Crosby my email address is martinhornby95 [at] Gmail.com m Hornby

Email address amended to prevent spamming, change the [at] to @ to use. MA

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately both of the posters did not become Society members nor remained members of the forum. They may continue to monitor this message in the hope that somebody makes contact, but we don't have email addresses for them.