Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hello All,
Can anyone help please , i have been looking for a birth certificate for a Henry Orme, on his baptism says birth date 9th may no year baptism date 12th oct 1883 at st peter, his dad is William Orme & mother is Sarah, living in Redcross street, i did send for a birth but it was the wrong one.
Also been looking for a marriage for William Orme to a Sarah but have not been able to find one I can not get back any more till i find the birth & marriage
thanking you
joan

Hope this helps

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSVG-GXR

Hi Joan,

is this the incorrect one you sent for,

1883
Orme Henry West Derby 8b 469

Do you have th family on the 1891 census? If you do please could you post the details. Maybe the parents don't come from Liverpool.

joan-3 wrote:Hello All,
Can anyone help please , i have been looking for a birth certificate for a Henry Orme, on his baptism says birth date 9th may no year baptism date 12th oct 1883 at st peter, his dad is William Orme & mother is Sarah, living in Redcross street, i did send for a birth but it was the wrong one.
Also been looking for a marriage for William Orme to a Sarah but have not been able to find one I can not get back any more till i find the birth & marriage
thanking you
joan

In future when you send for a birth cert I suggest you specify the parents. While the GRO discontinued their Reference Search facility some years ago you can still enter parents by just putting the year of the birth without any other details such as volume and page. Tick the NO box where you are asked if those details are known and a new page will open. The GRO will search 1 year either side of your specified year, If they don't find a match they will refund the fee.

Could this be the marriage?

Re:

William Orme married Sarah Raynor
Registration district: Barton, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1879; Dec qtr
Volume no: 6B; Page no: 435

Ignore this marriage. It didn't happen.
Explanation further down thread. Not my fault either!

Were there any other children that you know of?

If you check a few entries up the baptism page you will see an entry with a birth date in 1882, so if there is no year marked beside Henry, then he will have been born in the same year as the baptism took place.

Can you please tell us which censuses you have him on and also give the details from his marriage certificate.

dickiesam wrote:Could this be the marriage?

William Orme married Sarah Raynor
Registration district: Barton, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1879; Dec qtr
Volume no: 6B; Page no: 435

Were there any other children that you know of?

Hello DS,
Where did you find this marriage please?
I'm having no luck locating it.

Me too Bert, I put the entry into Free BMD but the vol/page numbers only relate to Staffs.

Bertieone wrote:

dickiesam wrote:Could this be the marriage?

William Orme married Sarah Raynor
Registration district: Barton, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1879; Dec qtr
Volume no: 6B; Page no: 435

Were there any other children that you know of?

Hello DS,
Where did you find this marriage please?
I'm having no luck locating it.

Bert, you can't find it because it is rubbish! Didn't happen!

A total first-class hash by of two transcriptions which ultimately lead to an indexing error by pairing these two. Oh, and compounded because somebody didn't transcribe Burton on Trent fully, just put Barton. And the only Barton Registration district in 1879 was Barton [on Irwell] in Lancashire!

Marriages Dec 1879: Orme, William Burton upon Trent 6b 455
Marriages Dec 1879: Raynor, Sarah Burton [upon Trent] 6b 485

Was it Jimmy Jewel who used to say "Oh, what a to-do"? Several corrections submitted.

Cheers, DS,

Knew there had to be a good reason.

Thanks to you all,

All the information i have is his baptism,
Bert - yes that is the wrong birth
Dickiesam - thanks i will do that for any others i send for
I have not got them on any census at all, I know Henry born in 1883 (Williams son) on Henrys marriage
says father is William Orme, Henry married Catherine Parks on 23 Dec 1906 , got that from Familysearch.org, that is all i have to go on
thanks again
joan

Army records on Anc,


Name:
Henry Orme

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1883
Age at enlistment:
31
Birth County:
Lancashire
Document Year:
1914
Regimental Number:
023187
Regiment Name:
Army Service Corps

Family details match 1911 census,
Henry Orme,
RG14, Piece 22231

Hi Joan,
Can you post some details from Henry's marriage cert please?

1) Henry's occupation at marriage.
2) His father's occupation and is 'Deceased' written in the name column?
3) Names of witnesses.

Hi DS,

Joan got marriage here. I don't think she has cert.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJJ5-117

From Army records,
Henry was a Carter.

Catherine Parks, spinster,

Witnesses, Thomas James Kerr, Ann Baldrick.

Thanks again to you all,
No i have not got marriage certificate, may be i should send for it?
Also i will take a look at the army details, may be this will get me more information

Thanks again
joan

joan-3 wrote:Thanks again to you all,
No i have not got marriage certificate, may be i should send for it?
Also i will take a look at the army details, may be this will get me more information

Thanks again
joan

Hi,
The marriage cert could hold clues to finding Henry's family in censuses before his marriage. A witness might be related, for instance.

D.S thanks about marriage being "rubbish"...
You made me laugh mate!!

Tina wrote:D.S thanks about marriage being "rubbish"...
You made me laugh mate!!

Hi Tina,
I can assure you I wasn't laughing when I untangled the mess that F*P's transcribers had made of the 2 entries, to be compounded when their computer matched the place of registration, volume and page numbers! Talk about "To err is human, but it takes a computer to really hash things up". Ye gods and little fishes..... Now I can