Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi to all, don't know if any one can cast an idea over this gent who was born in Manchester in 1831 according to his age on the 1881 census. He was a widower with two sons when he married Ann Hargreaves also born in Manchester at St Nicholas church. Liverpool in January 1868. Ann was also a widow with a family and they both lived at Queen Street, he claimed his father was John Rowlands, a tailor and she was the daughter of Samuel Holmes a miller. Later in the same year 1868 their daughter Mary Ellen was born.
With all this info you would think it would be possible to trace his earlier life but not having any luck. In the 1871 census Edward is missing but Ann and her children plus both her stepsons John age 14 and Henry age 12 are living with her eldest daughter and husband Henry Lucas and their family at Rockmount Street,(I believe Rockmount st was in the vicinity of a couple of quarries so he was possibly working) but what is interesting is that both the stepsons are shown as being born in the West Indies, I thought at first this was a mistake but with the rest of the family the enumerator has distinguished between West Derby and West Indies. Between the couple they both had sons named Henry with a few years between them in age.
In the 1881 census it is obvious from the wording that Edward has given the information except for his daughter Mary Ellen where he has stated she is a step daughter and all children including his son Henry are born in Manchester, no mention of Liverpool or the West Indies, his job is now a Cattle drover. After this census I have come to a halt with the family. I have looked at records for the Carribean for Edward Rowlands thinking he may have served in the military but no luck, cant find a first marriage for him either nor records for his sons John or Henry. What happened to bring him back to England was it end of military service or did his wife die in the West Indies or here, whom ever she was?
At least it looks as though his boys were well looked after by Ann, any light you can throw on the subject would be well received cheers L.B

Hi

sorry nothing further on Edward for you, but looking through various Manchester records on Ancestry found this marriage, which may be a sibling of Edward?

Mary Rowland -Full Age - Market Street
Marriage Date:24 Jun 1844
Parish: - Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name -John Rowland - TAILOR
William Davies - Full age - Ashton Road
Father's Name -Edward Davies - Bailiff


I have a Mary Rowland/s b c 1780 Manchester in my tree, lived in Wrexham. Seems a few Manchester Rowlands' ended up in Wrexham.


Simone x

Hi Simone thank you very much for your interest and the possible link through John Rowland the tailor. I dare say at some point all will be clear with Edward, I am just really so curious of the West Indies connection, and it is exasperating not being able to find a common link. I also have Rowlands in my own family, but this gent was married to my husbands Gt. Gt grandmother and she seemed like a very special lady so I think he was a lucky man to find her
Thanks once again L.B

Is this his first marriage?


Name:
Edward Rowlands, Carter.
Age:
Full Age
Marriage Date:
27 Dec 1853
Parish:
Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name:
Sarah Clarke
Father's Name:
John Rowlands, TAILOR,
Spouse Father's Name:
Peter Clarke, Labourer.

Witnesses, William Howard, Sarah Hughes.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/ ... turnRecord

Great find Bert

Yes indeed Bert!
1871 is a very involved census..
Ann is 51? with a 3 yr old daughter.
1881 she is 54 and Mary Ellen Hargreaves is 13 stepd of Edward 50.
All listed as born Manchester. 2 Henry's are 23 and 19.
Great post Liverbird..

1891,

Derby Street, West Derby


Edward Rowlands 56 head labourer Birkenhead
Ann Rowlands 63 wife Manchester
Henry Rowlands 30 son West derby
Mary E Rowlands 22 dau West derby
Ralph Lucas 16 grandson West Derby

RG12 P2999 F137 P32

1901,

RG13 P3520 F95 P25,

St Helens,

Frank Cunningham 35, Head, Coal Dealer, St Helens
Mary E Cunningham 33, wife, Liverpool
Frank Cunningham 7 son Manchester
Anne Rowlands 74, Widow, mother in law, St Helens
John Middlehurst 14 Boarder

I think the enumerator has the birthplace of Ann and Frank the son mixed up.

Marriage, Francis Cunningham, Mary E Rowlands, 1894, Prescot, 8b 811.

Birth?

Francis Cunningham, Sept Qtr 1894, Prescot 8b 685,

Possible death for Edward Rowlands, if the family were living in Prescot at the time.


Deaths Mar 1894

Rowlands Edward 56 Prescot 8b 508

1851 census
HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 64; Page: 22
No 1 Wilson's Cottages, Oxton
John Rowland 56 - Tailor, master -b Cheshire, Arrow
Elizabeth Rowland 40 b Wales
Edward Rowland 17 b Oxton
John Rowland 8 b Tranmere
Elizabeth Rowland 6 b Birkenhead

Edward Rowland
Baptism Date:
11 Aug 1833
Baptism Place:
Woodchurch, Cheshire, England
Father -John Rowland
Mother - Elizabeth Rowland

Cheshire Parish Register project also has this baptism which states father John a Tailor

http://cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/

they also have a marriage John Rowland to Elizabeth Breese 17/01/1833..Woodchurch parish..
sorry got to rush out for an appointment so will update details later



Simone x

1861,
RG9 P2647 F64 P23

Edward Rowland 27 Oxton
Mary Rowland 28 Haverford West
JOHN Rowland 3
HENRY Rowland 1
Can't make out Children's birthplace, Swansea?

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/ ... turnRecord

Ahh yes Bert.. saw this one yesterday and ruled it out at the time cos of occupation for some reason but didn't know about Oxton/Birkenhead at the time...... yes I would say Swansea ..

Marriage,

Mary John, Edward Rowlands, 1856, Swansea, 11a 676

Looking again at the 1871,

RG10; Piece: 3850; Folio: 90; Page: 40;

Could the enumerator recorded West Swansea?

Also if Edward did marry Sarah Clarke, 1853, a death for Sarah Rowlands needs to be found between 1853 & 1856, marriage to Mary John. A couple of possibilities in Wales, but?

The 1833 marriage I posted earlier as possible for John Rowland to Elizabeth Breese, sadly database doesn't give any more info,just he signs, she marks 'x'.. witnesses William Taylor and William Cawley.

think this may be Sarah 1841
HO107; Piece: 126; Book: 3;
at Moreton, Wirral all born in county
Peter Clarke 35 Ag Lab
Ann Clarke 35
Mary Clarke 13
Sarah Clarke 11
George Clarke 9
Margaret Clarke 7
Peter Clarke 5
Charles Clarke 2

baptism

Sarah Clarke
Baptism Date: 20 Jun 1830
Place-
West Kirby, Cheshire, England
Father -Peter Clarke
Mother -Ann
FHL Film Number:
1736166

possible deaths for Sarah in both Cheshire and Liverpool in 1854

Servant in 1851,

HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 188; Page: 30;

Peter and his family still at Moreton in 1851 HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 188; Page: 31
Sarah not with them