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I am looking to make the connection of my 3X Great Grandmother from Liverpool, Elizabeth, whos father was Thomas Jones optician b.1795+-d.bef1830+-Liverpool, to the Thomas Jones optician detail below. All the dates line up but Elizabeth his daughter's birth date I have not found, Babtised 6 Jan 1819. I have not found his date of death.

I think he may also be an instrument maker of note (hope to confirm) as I found one working 1816-1830' , 4 Harrington st. Liverpool. As many opticians were instrument makers and dates are right, possible.

By family record my Elizabeth was b. July 4, 1818 Liverpool. She married Johnson thought in Liverpool, a ships captain, daughter Harriet O. Johnson b.1839or40 loc?., and ended up in New Orleans where they may have lived until his death. She then married my 3X Great Grandfather in N.O. 1842. I understand this information is a little thin but I am hopeful.

It will be a great gift to my family to confirm the connection. Any effort or direction will be greatly appreciated. My thanks for the consideration of this message.

Miscl. info of Thomas Jones I hope to confirm to be her father and poss Instrument Maker

Marriage Thomas Jones Elizabeth Holmes Sept. 18, 1817 Holy Trinity Liverpool

Son Thomas Samuel Holmes Jones b.Feb. 4, 1820

His Elizabeth Babtism
Baptism: 6 Jan 1819 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Jones - Daughter of Thomas Jones & Elizth.
Abode: Harrington St.
Occupation: Optician
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1817 - 1820 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 1, Entry 6
Source: LDS Film 1068890

FHL Film Number: 1068890 Reference ID: item 6 FHL Film Number: 93834
Reference Number: 283 NIC/2/2

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Should have included this info from Marriage Cert:
Thomas Jones Elizabeth Holmes Sept. 18 1817:

Birth Year: 1796

Age: 21

Grooms Occupation: Optician

This was offered by a member: may prove useful/
"Jones inherited his [largely nautical] instrument making business from his father in 1816 and worked from premises in Harrington St., Liverpool until 1831. "

http://www.alanwalker-barometers.com/an ... y-/184840/

Directory of British Scientific Instrument Makers 1550-1851 Lists both a Thomas Jones of Liverpool and a Thomas Jones of London. Though I have found this stated by a credible source National Museum of History I have not had access to the information as the books are few and far in the States.

Hi Eliza and welcome,

marriage in the Liverpool Mercury, 1817



It appears he was an agent, Liverpool Mercury, 1821.

There was this Thomas Jones, Optician, Instrument maker, etc, of London.

Copied,

39. THOMAS JONES, F.R.G.S., M.Inst.C.E., F.R.S.
(1775-1852).
Thomas Jones, the optician, was born on 24th
June, 1775. In 1789 he entered the establishment of
Jesse Ramsden (1735-1800), optician, in Piccadilly,
London. Subsequently he carried on business on his
own account, first at 21 Oxenden Street, afterwards in
Rupert Street, and at 32 Charing Cross Road. He soon
attained a high reputation for his skill in constructing
astronomical instruments of the larger class, many of
which he was commissioned to supply for the principal
observatories of Great Britain and the colonies (see a
list of the most important in Monthly Notices, xiii,
112). He assisted, in conjunction with Dr. George
Pearson, Edward Troughton, Captain W. H. Smyth,
and others, in the formation of the Astronomical
Society in 1820. On 4th June, 1835, he was elected a
Fellow of the Royal Society. He died on 29th July,
1852.

His advertisements circa 1822 suggest he was previously in London, at the Minories http://tinyurl.com/qdtwkmr

Hi and welcome to the forum.

elizabseek wrote: By family record my Elizabeth was b. July 4, 1818 Liverpool.

What is this family record? do you perhaps have a bible? That date would not be too far out obviously to match with the baptism at St. Nicholas.

elizabseek wrote: She married Johnson thought in Liverpool, a ships captain,

Is this a first name or a surname?

elizabseek wrote: She then married my 3X Great Grandfather in N.O. 1842.

What information is given on a New Orleans marriage certificate?

Rules out Thomas Jones, 1775-1852,

Gazette,

"Jones inherited his [largely nautical] instrument making business from his father in 1816 and worked from premises in Harrington St., Liverpool until 1831. "

http://www.alanwalker-barometers.com/an ... y-/184840/

Liverpool Mercury, Friday, 18 September 1829,
Date of death 16 September and birth approx. 1781.





Name:
Thomas Jones, Harrington street
Birth Year:
abt 1782
Death Age:
47
Burial Date:
19 Sep 1829
Burial Parish:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England

"Sacred to the memory of Thomas JONES, Optician. Born 11th July 1783 in the parish of Llanfair Caerenion, Montgomeryshire. Died in Liverpool 16th September 1829"

St James Cemetery (Gibson's Epitaphs Vol VI page 375)

Baptism?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC1D-YLG

That 1783 baptism was of Thomas son of Evan and Elizbth Jones of Llanlothian Ucha. No more information on the register.

"partner with Joseph Rust 4 in Jones and Rust, fl.1811-13," http://historydb.adlerplanetarium.org/s ... it_id=7980

Interesting to note that the death of Joseph Rust in 1817, aged 25, is on the same page of the "Monthly Magazine, or British Register" as the marriage of Thomas Jones http://tinyurl.com/q7osuyl

The 1814 Directory lists Jones and Rust, Navigation and Stationery warehouse, 31 Pool Lane.

Joseph Rust, stationer, married Margaret Jones at St John's Old Haymarket on 20 October 1812.

Responses from our poster, who has sent them to my inbox instead of the board.

Information passed down in family. Johnson is a Surname. Have yet to find New Orleans marriage certificate. Family information, from the grand-daughter of the individual whose family cared for her late in life. Earlier accounts from State histories and religious records refer to my 3x G-grandfather Rev. W.H. Watkins marriage to Elizabeth Jones Johnson prior married to Johnson a ships captain.

Rev. William H. Watkins was born in Jefferson Co. Mississippi in 1815, was educated for the ministry (Methodist), and for a number of years was president of Centenary college at Jackson La. a Methodist Institution, and was afterward in the New Orleans conference. While in that city he met and married Mrs. Elizabeth Johnson, nee Jones, who was a native of Liverpool, England, born in 1818, where she had married her first husband, who was a ship captain.

(FROM MEMOIRS OF MISSISSIPPI) 288-289

Thank-you for the kind response wish I had more to give you. elizabseek.

Should have included this info from Marriage Cert:
Thomas Jones Elizabeth Holmes Sept. 18 1817

Birth Year: 1796

Age: 21

Grooms Occupation: Optician