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Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 08:13
by TamlynUK
Hi All,

I have a Liverpool stone wall which is bugging me as I know so much about the earliest in the line and an amazed I cannot find more about his ancestry. What am I missing? Can anyone help?

My ancestor is one Thomas BELL. He is listed as both "Silver Watch Case Maker" & "Joiner" - an unlikely combination. I have one of his watch cases. He was a Roman Catholic and had five children baptised as RC in Liverpool between 1819 and 1829. The first two were born before he married Margaret MORLEY (b 1785) at Liverpool in1825. Patric (sic) BELL and James BELL were presumably relatives as they stood as sponsors to various of Thomas' children when they were baptised

I have not identified his death nor that of his wife All the children disappeared except for his eldest, Ann, who married Paul Clague in 1847 and took in. She had a younger brother, Richard Edward BELL ( b 1828) with her in 1851. After that Richard Edward disappeared too. The others may have emigrated but Ann stayed in Liverpool and is my great great grandmother.

I can find nothing about Thomas BELL's ancestry. Can anyone give me a lead?

Thanks in advance

Tam

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 09:17
by Bertieone
Hi and welcome,



Priscilla Bell
Age:
Full Age
Marriage
31 Mar 1845
Parish:
Liverpool, St Philip
Spouse's Name:
John Barrow
Father
Thomas Bell, Watchmaker, deceased.
Spouse Father
Wm Barrow

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 09:26
by Bertieone
Margaret Bell

Full Age
Marriage
29 Jan 1849
Parish:
Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse
Paul Clegg Widower
Father
Thomas Bell Watchmaker
Spouse Father
Robert Clegg, Farmer

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/ ... sePUB=true

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 09:31
by Bertieone
?
previous marriage to Ann?



Ann Bell
Full Age
Marriage Date:
25 Aug 1840
Parish:
Everton, St Augustine
Spouse's Name:
Paul Clague
Father, Joiner
Thomas Bell
Spouse Father
Robert Clague, Farmer
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/ ... sePUB=true

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 09:56
by retiringtype
All the children disappeared except for his eldest, Ann, who married Paul Clague in 1847 and took in. She had a younger brother, Richard Edward BELL ( b 1828) with her in 1851.
Are you sure? Richard Bell appears with sister Priscilla Barrow and family in 1851, in Knuckle Court

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 10:09
by Bertieone
1841

Paul Clegue 20, Millwright
Ann Clegue 20
Richard Clegue 10, Transcription Error, Richard Bell.

HO107 P555 Book7

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 10:42
by retiringtype
Just having a quick look in the directories.

1825

Bell, Patrick, watch case maker, 16 Chapel Lane

1827

Bell, Thomas, watchmaker, 18 Maguire Street

1829

Bell, Thomas, watchmaker, 19 Maguire Street

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 11:00
by retiringtype
"Papist" burial at St John's, 13 November 1829

Patrick Augustin Bell aged 5 months, son of Patrick and Augusta Bell, Ray Street, watch case maker

and another one on July 9th 1827

Maria Bell, 11 months, daughter of Patrick & Augusta Bell, Copperas Hill, labourer

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 11:05
by retiringtype
1851 census 30 Fairview Place, Toxteth Park

All born Liverpool except Patrick born Ireland

Patrick Bell 48 watch case maker
Augusta Bell 46
Catherine 25 Bonnet Maker
Maria 20 Ap
Henry 18 Ap
Robert 8 scholar

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 11:14
by Bertieone
Patrick Bell, Watch case maker.
Marriage
5 Jul 1824
Liverpool, St Paul
Spouse
Augusta Fegan

Present. Richard Cave, Amelia Bendy?

Re: Thomas BELL, Watch Case Maker

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 11:50
by TamlynUK
Thank you all for these hints. It certainly gives me some lines to chase

In passing, the Paul Clague mentioned was the ancestor of one of the Bettles (by a different wife)