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I am researching my Evans family in Liverpool/Bootle area.

I am at the moment looking to find information on Alice Evans. Born 19 February 1928. Baptised Christ Church, Bootle. 4 March 1928.
Parents Alice Murphy and Thomas Alfred Evans.

Alice is one of three children of Alice and Thomas Alfred Evans. Helena Gertrude born 1925 died 1926. while Thomas Alfred (jnr) b 1926 died 1986. I believe that Alice attended the funeral of her brother in 1986 in London but family have never heard from her since. Not sure if she was married or not. Have looked in 1939 registers but nothing turns up there.
Thomas Alfred Evans (snr) died 1933. It is believed that Alice Murphy may have remarried. I have never been able to find a marriage for Thomas Alfred and Alice Murphy, even though Thomas's death cert has Alice Evans, wife, as the informant.
The family knows very little about Alice Murphy as well. So any help here would be much appreciated.

Parents of Alice Evans b 1928 were living at 14 spring grove Bootle with Thomas's mother when Alice was born.

It is thanks for help from Hilary Ambrose that I was able to find the family baptisms while on a visit to Crosby Library in 2015. I would dearly love to find out more information about this family if at all possible.
I have searched for some time for information, but maybe another pair of eyes might find something I have missed.

Thank you for any help.

Regards
Barbara
Christchurch, New Zealand.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

The death index for Thomas Alfred Evans gives his exact birthdate as 28 December 1926, which fits with the birth registration
Births Mar 1927
Evans Thomas A Murphy W.Derby 8b 655

However either that date is incorrect or the entry for the 1939 register as there is nothing matching, as you say, does this date match the entry you have on his baptism? or perhaps it is his baptism date, sometimes this happens.

Do you have his death certificate, who registered the death? if it was a wife that could give another clue.

I think we have to consider that the parents were not married in England, there is no entry in the marriage indexes, nor on LancashireBMD, or CheshireBMD, which are the likeliest places to find it.

It might be worth considering whether Alice was Irish and possibly the marriage took place in Ireland. We have a lot of hints and links for Irish research collected here https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ ... 14&t=13912 which you might find useful and the Civil Records are now available to search here https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

I hope you find some of this useful, meantime some of our other members will I'm sure have some more suggestions.

There's not much showing in Ireland. This one in Cardiff looks too early:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26DQ-LS6

... but maybe not if he was in the Royal Navy during WW1?
http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/requ ... evans.html

Previous discussion:

https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ ... =2&t=12556

Findmypast is good for seamen's records. I don't have a subscription, but a search throws up a number of records for (probably multiple) Thomas Alfred Evans. It might be worth joining fmp to get a different view from Ancestry:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/ ... name=evans

EDIT: I see you have already searched fmp:
http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/welc ... hello.html

It might be a good plan to summarise all you know about Thomas Alfred's service at sea to give folk an idea of when/where he could have got married. If he was still at sea long after the war, maybe the Cardiff marriage is still a possibility?

Here's Stephen Evans, another family member, searching...
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/b ... ad/1330108

Someone mentions the 1914 marriage in Cardiff. Stephen Evans says that '...my grandmother may have remarried to the family name of O'Donoghue or Donoghue...'. There is a marriage of Alice V. Evans to Michael Donoghue in Merthyr Tydfil in 1931; that's before the reported death of Thomas Evans?

Period: Mar 1931
District: Merthyr T.
Volume: 11a
Page: 844

If Thomas Jnr's entry was not updated with his death by the NHS whilst they were still using this register, his entry in the 1939 Register will not have been uncovered. The only way to get it uncovered would be to send FMP a copy of his death certificate.

Hopefully it won't be long before the records are updated, I've recently noted a record has been opened relative to a death in 2013.

How about this for a possible re-marriage for Alice Evans:
Sep 1934
Patrick Dullahan
Alice Evans
West Derby 8b 1168

Followed by these births:
Dec 1934
James P Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Liverpool N. 8b 690

Mar 1937
Margaret G Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Bootle Lancs 8b 498

Sep 1938
Patrick Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Bootle Lancs 8b 487

Sep 1940
Pauline Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Bootle 8b 577

And finally....
Deaths Jun 1978
Alice Dullahan
DOB 16 Dec 1903
Liverpool 36 1078

Alison C wrote:How about this for a possible re-marriage for Alice Evans:
Sep 1934
Patrick Dullahan
Alice Evans
West Derby 8b 1168

Followed by these births:
Dec 1934
James P Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Liverpool N. 8b 690

Mar 1937
Margaret G Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Bootle Lancs 8b 498

Sep 1938
Patrick Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Bootle Lancs 8b 487

Sep 1940
Pauline Dullahan
Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Bootle 8b 577

And finally....
Deaths Jun 1978
Alice Dullahan
DOB 16 Dec 1903
Liverpool 36 1078

Looks good Alison.


Blue

Possible birth registration for Alice Dullahan/Evans/Murphy,

Alice Murphy, West derby, March Qtr, 1904, 8b 347
Mother's maiden name, Fitzpatrick.

Parents marriage?

Name:
Stephen Murphy, No Father's name given.
Birth
abt 1874
Age:
28
Marriage
30 Aug 1902
Parish:
Bootle, St John
Spouse's Name:
Gertrude Fitzpatrick
Spouse Father's Name:
Thomas Fitzpatrick

Gertrude, middle name for Alice's first born.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/ ... PUBJs=true

That all fits together nicely - good work Alison & Bertie!

my grandmother may have remarried to the family name of O'Donoghue or Donoghue

How about this for Alice jnr:

Marriages Q2 1853:
Alice Evans & James Nelson
Liverpool N, 10d, 509

Marriages Q3 1971
Alice Nelson & Walter Donoghue
Liverpool N, 10d, 1067

Deaths
Alice Donoghue
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1928
Date of Registration: Dec 2005
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: D40D
District and Subdistrict: 025/1D
Entry Number: 24