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Walter Young was born in Liverpool in 1911 and on searching Ancestry I found a date of baptism (27 Nov 1911) given under 'England & Wales Christening Index', but only Liverpool given as the church or parish. Any suggestions please. There does not seem to be a matching Ancestry entry in the Liverpool CofE set.
Daggers

There won't be a matching entry as Ancestry only goes up to 1905. The only birth entry fitting that baptism is

Births Dec 1911 Young Walter Mackie W.Derby 8b 756

and a marriage that seems appropriate could be

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905
YOUNG James MACKIE Emily Kirkdale, St. Mary

Another reason not to find the entry on Ancestry, if by any chance the baptism also took place there.

There's a possible family living 6 Gilman Street, Everton in 1911,
James 26 Ships Steward White Star Line
Emily 25 5,2,2
Lilly 2
Bessie 5 months
all born Liverpool
Elizabeth Mackie, mother, 59 Widow, Whitchurch Salop
Claude Garland Visitor 28 Single Ship Steward, Bristol

Sorry about the size, was just trying things out, if it hits you in the face I can change it back to normal.

I think it's this one?

Walter Young

Birth Date:
12 Sep 1911
Christening Date:
27 Nov 1911
Christening Place:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
Hugh Young
Mother:
Ellen Young

Bert
Yes, that's the one I found, but it doen't give the church!
Mary
I think your font is a bit heavy when compared with others.
Thanks for the information. You have the right Walter, but he does not fit with that James, or other Jameses in the region. His father was Hugh and mother Ellen. In 1911 she was at Boundary Street with 5 children (Walter not yet arrived) and Hugh was away, probably at sea.
I'm not sure of parishes in that area, there were lots to choose from, then.
Daggers

Is there a FHL film reference number?

This looks to me like an entry from the Vital Records which we all used prior to FMP and Ancestry. Could be Christ Church, Great Homer Street, or on of the Churches listed. I have tried to find the FHL number with no luck.

Katie wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2018 19:24

Is there a FHL film reference number?

Nope, in fact it actually gives a list of about 25 parishes that it could be, discounting the couple of cemeteries listed - they just like to be controversial, why on earth give such information without any source??? It must have been transcribed from somewhere

I know he's not on the 1911,

Possible family member,


Name:
George Henry Young
Birth Date:
28 Oct 1907
Birth Place:
St. James The Less, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Baptism Date:
5 Nov 1907
Baptism Place:
St. James The Less, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
Hugh Young
Mother:
Ellen

Bert
Thanks for the thought, but that George Henry's mother's maiden name is wrong - Rimmer, when mine should be Mackie.
Katie
Thanks for looking.
On we go...
D

daggers wrote: ↑

23 Mar 2018 08:42

George Henry's mother's maiden name is wrong - Rimmer, when mine should be Mackie.

Are you sure it should be Mackie? the only marriage I found for Young/Mackie was the one I gave above, James and Emily, whereas you said yours were Hugh and Ellen which matches the post Bert made .... or have I only just woken up and got this thread confused in my brain!

The child born to Young/ Rimmer,



George Henry Young
Baptism Date:
3 Nov 1907
Baptism Place:
Lancashire, , England
Father:
William Arthur Young
Mother:
Mary Elizabeth (Nee, Rimmer)

Providing I have the correct 1911,

11ct 4 house, Boundary St
Ellen Young 36, Married 21 years, Born Scotland.
Angus Young 16
Alec Young 14
Margaret Young 11
Ellen Young 9
Richard Young 6
RG14 P22470

I think this is Ellen Young from the 1911 recorded as daughter and perhaps should be daughter in law,

RG12 P2963 F50 P36,

James Young 55
Chotte Young 46
Hugh Young 24, married
Richard Young 18
Margaret Young 11
Ellen Young 18, married, Scotland
William Young 7
James Young 7/12, grandson

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... sePUB=true

My grandmothers sister was born seriously ill and was baptised at home the day she was born...the registrar noted this on her birth certificate ..no mention on her death certificate.

Ann

Bert
You must have been looking over my shoulder. I have spent ages looking at that family of James and Charlotte and reached the same conclusion as you. Both sets of parents were from Scotland, both had Crawford and Young in their background and are equally elusive in the Scottish census records, though I have the marriage of Hugh and Ellen.

Daisycakes
I think that any baptism recorded by Ancestry must be taken from some sort of church record, rather than an informal one at home or in hospital. As others have said, why din't Ancestry quote their source? Familysearch has not shown anything, either.

D

Baptism St James the Less, Kirkdale
27th November 1911, born 12 September
Walter Young, parents Hugh and Ellen, 111 Arlington Street, Occupation Fireman
Pigeon post this evening.

1925 Directory - 78 Stanley Road Kirkdale
William Herbert Wanstall, cycle agent
Hugh C Young, Ship's Greaser

1926 Directory
John J Fagan, Ladies Outfitter
however strangely under the surnames Hugh C Young, Ship's Greaser is at that address

He's not in the directory in 1927.

MaryA wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2018 09:51

Baptism St James the Less, Kirkdale
27th November 1911, born 12 September
Walter Young, parents Hugh and Ellen, 111 Arlington Street, Occupation Fireman
Pigeon post this evening.

Well done Mary,

Electoral Roll,

1920, 111Arlington Street,
Hugh Young, Snr
Ellen Young,
Hugh Young, Jnr,
Alexander Thomas Crawford

1925,
Hugh Young,
Ellen Young.

1930,
Ellen Young



Hugh Young..............Ships Greaser.
Birth Date:
abt 1892
Enlistment Age:
24
Document Year:
1916
Residence Place:
111 Arlington St, Liverpool
Regimental Number:
82508MGC
Regiment Name:
The King's Liv??
Number of Images:
37

Yes, well done Mary! I will await the flutter of wings later, but that looks good.
And well done Bert, too. I had the Electoral roll details and the army service details too - rare to find so full a set, which helped to sort out a few other oddities in this awkward family.
Daggers

Sorry Speckled Jim fell asleep last evening but he's wide awake and winging his way across this morning.