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Good afternoon, I'm back again with another puzzle, hoping you are all well.

Here we go:

Charles and Martha Grimes, my 3 x great grandparents are living on the Wirral until they move to Liverpool some time between 1851 when they lived in Whitby, Cheshire until 1861 where they are in a court dwelling in Gascoyne Street on the census. Martha dies from there in Feb 1861 and is buried on 27th Feb. Charles dies in Liverpool Workhouse on 28th Feb. I have applied for the death certificates.

In May 1861 their 3 youngest children are admitted to the same Workhouse. Charles aged 10, Mary 8 and James 7. They are released to an industrial school in June. A member on the FB group said it would have been Kirkdale. I can't find any online records.

Charles is in and out of the Workhouse and dies there in 1872.

James married and had a family.

Mary (baptised Ellesmere Port 19 May 1852) is showing up as a domestic servant in 1871 at 72 Hill Street.

I cannot seem to find her after that in any other records except for a Catholic burial at Maria de Monte Carmelli church as Maria Grimes of Mozart Street. The church and this street are both in Toxteth as is Hill Street.

Any help gratefully received.

******* Edited. I forgot to say the Maria Grimes burial is in 1882 and she is 30 years old. ******

Can't be of any help about your Mary, ecept to say that the catholic church latinise the names. Mary would become Maria. My mum and all her family going back 3 generations lived in Gascoyne Street. My mum's grand mother kept the shop there until she died in 1935.

All there cousins , in laws and every one lived there.
Hope you are keeping well, Lynne

Unfortunately the burial address, 7 Mozart St is uninhabited, 1881 census and doesn't show in Electoral Rolls or the 1881 directory to discover who she may have lived with and her status. Perhaps when peacetime returns you may be fortunate to find who lived there in 1882 in the records office.
Death certificate may help, but then again?

lynne99 wrote: ↑

26 Apr 2020 19:11

Can't be of any help about your Mary, ecept to say that the catholic church latinise the names. Mary would become Maria. My mum and all her family going back 3 generations lived in Gascoyne Street. My mum's grand mother kept the shop there until she died in 1935.

All there cousins , in laws and every one lived there.
Hope you are keeping well, Lynne

Thanks Lynne maybe they were all neighbours sharing a cup of sugar or tea

Bertieone wrote: ↑

27 Apr 2020 05:38

Unfortunately the burial address, 7 Mozart St is uninhabited, 1881 census and doesn't show in Electoral Rolls or the 1881 directory to discover who she may have lived with and her status. Perhaps when peacetime returns you may be fortunate to find who lived there in 1882 in the records office.
Death certificate may help, but then again?

Thanks Bertie, well if you can't find her nobody can!!

I think I will mark this down as being her but make some notes in case other records become available one day, I can't see a death certificate being that much use plus I have already forked out £21.00 this week for 3 DC's. I was hoping the government would make them free for our lockdown as they did with The National Archives

Thank you for your time as always