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Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 30 Apr 2020 16:15
by MaryA
Hi there, In 1879 Catherine Maria Duke was baptised at St Cleopas church, however beneath her entry and also a couple of others is a reference to "In St Mary's ???? Church"
Has anybody an idea what this word is - icon or iron? and what does the reference mean, presumably the ceremony didn't take place in St Cleopas itself for some reason.
Thanks all
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 30 Apr 2020 16:32
by retiringtype
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 30 Apr 2020 16:48
by MaryA
Thank you RT, I've never heard of this before, not that I've had many dealings with St Cleopas before.
I notice it mentions "St. Mary's Mission School" would this suggest that perhaps it could have been connected with non conformist, maybe Methodist or Wesleyan, rather than C of E.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 30 Apr 2020 17:00
by retiringtype
No it was definitely Anglican. The clergy of St Cleopas obtained a licence to hold services in the Mission School to start with, then built the corrugated chapel which was known as St Mary's Iron Church but was eventually consecrated as St Gabriel's.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 30 Apr 2020 17:30
by MaryA
Thank you for your insight.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 30 Apr 2020 21:18
by daggers
There were quite a few iron churches, and a Garston company, Moretons or Morton’s provided some locally and also exported.
Wriggly tin, as known on the old docks.
D
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 01 May 2020 07:48
by MaryA
This is fascinating, I only ever knew about St George's, Everton, or perhaps that's just famous because it was the first.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 01 May 2020 13:36
by daggers
There were two sorts of iron construction: cast iron, as in St George, Everton and St Michael in the Hamlet, where both have columns and arches of cast iron. These were permanent buildings.
The others, often known as iron or tin churches had a frame of some sort, cladded with galvanised corrugated iron. These last were often dismantled and re-used elsewhere.
'The Churches of Liverpool' by David Lewis has a number of references to each type.
D
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 01 May 2020 13:54
by daggers
daggers wrote: ↑01 May 2020 13:36
There were two sorts of iron construction: cast iron, as in St George, Everton and St Michael in the Hamlet, where both have columns and arches of cast iron. These were permanent buildings.
The others, often known as iron or tin churches had a frame of some sort, cladded with galvanised corrugated iron. These last were often dismantled and re-used elsewhere.
'The Churches of Liverpool' by David Lewis has a number of references to each type.
D
P.S. it was Morton, not Moreton.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 01 May 2020 14:27
by MaryA
Such knowledge on this forum, thanks.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 01 May 2020 16:21
by PatM
Thank you for your help with this and thanks to Mary for posting it for me.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 01 May 2020 20:56
by BarbaraW
MaryA wrote: ↑01 May 2020 14:27
Such knowledge on this forum, thanks.
That's why I always come here with knotty problems
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 02 May 2020 06:43
by Bertieone
BarbaraW wrote: ↑01 May 2020 20:56
MaryA wrote: ↑01 May 2020 14:27
Such knowledge on this forum, thanks.
That's why I always come here with knotty problems
Where answers are actually related to the questions asked
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 02 May 2020 08:05
by MaryA
Bertieone wrote: ↑02 May 2020 06:43
BarbaraW wrote: ↑01 May 2020 20:56
MaryA wrote: ↑01 May 2020 14:27
Such knowledge on this forum, thanks.
That's why I always come here with knotty problems
Where answers are actually related to the questions asked
Who cares, I'd rather it was friendly like you all are
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 02 May 2020 09:25
by alleycat
Again many thanks to you all for the answers you have posted re the Baptism for St Cleopas- this sort of help is invaluable, and helps us discount some brick walls.
Your help always appreciated.
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 02 May 2020 11:39
by retiringtype
Interesting wiki article on "Tin Tabernacles":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_tabernacle
Re: Query about a baptism entry
Posted: 02 May 2020 13:27
by alleycat
Thanks again "retiringtype" very interesting and informative - and I am sure other people will find this very useful as well.
