Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Henry Twist married Elizabeth Duke on 10 November 1856, Holy Trinity Church, Walton on the Hill. Henry's father shown as William Twist, Gardener and Elizabeth's father as John Duke, Gardener.

Need to know DOB and exact parents for both Henry Twist and Elizabeth Duke as there are a couple of possibilities but need to confirm which is the correct one.

Also, their children's names were John Talbot Twist and Henry Helesby Twist. Does anyone know of any connection to Talbot & Helesby?

Really appreciate any help you can give.

Kind regards
MaggieAustralia

Hi Maggie,

Welcome to the forum,

Can you give us the ages of Henry and Elizabeth from their marriage, also are there any addresses given, do you have them on any census?

Jan

Thanks Jan - all the information I have is from their marriage certificate.
Henry Twist 24yrs and Elizabeth Duke 25yrs. Henry's father William Twist was deceased at the time of their marriage. Place of birth, Liverpool.

They were married in 1856 and then immigrated to Australia, so Henry & Elizabeth are not shown on any Census'.

Have done a search and found a couple of possibilities, but need to be sure before I go delving further.

Thank you for your interest and welcome Jan.

Regards
Maggie

Hi Maggie
Are you sure their place of birth was Lpool on cert or was it place of residence?
I'm curious...1841 has both people but not living in Lpool
Thanks
Tina

There is a Henry Twist in the 1841 census with father William, a farmer and living in West Derby. The age is a couple of years out but that's not too unusual, is it? Does the marriage certificate give William's profession and does it show Elizabeth's father?
Hope this helps
Barbara

Hi Barbara
Elizabeths father was John
see earlier post.

Tina

Hi and welcome to the forum.

When quoting from a marriage certificate, please give full details as all are very important. Occupations, ages, addresses all give clues as to where to look for them and witnesses are often family members so can also be investigated.

Witnesses to marriage were James Duke and Mary Jane Hughes.

Where born: Liverpool.

Thank you to all of you for your interest and help.Regards Maggie

MaryA wrote:Hi and welcome to the forum.

When quoting from a marriage certificate, please give full details as all are very important. Occupations, ages, addresses all give clues as to where to look for them and witnesses are often family members so can also be investigated.

Here's the only William Twist with a son Henry in the Lancs 1841. William's occupation is Farrier.

1841:
TWIST, William - 40 - 1801 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Mary - 45 - 1796 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Francis - 15 - 1826 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Margaret - 10 - 1831 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Henry - 8 - 1833 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Mary - 4 - 1837 - Lancashire.
Address: Green Lane, Walton On The Hill.
HO107 - Piece: 520 - Book/Folio: 8/53 - Page: 6.

Dickiesam

John Talbot Twist and Henry Helesby Twist

How about this
Marriage 24/2/1822 St James Lpl
William Twist to Ann HELSBY...

1851 has an Ann Twist carter wid 51 in Cow Lane
son Jas as spelt 21 also Hy 18 Wllm 9.

HO107/2179/698/44

1861 Ann at same address.

IGI Baptism St Mary The Virgin W. Dby 7/7/1833
Henry to William & Anne Twist
same church & parents, Margaret 1828 & Mary 1837

If the 1841 is correct the mother was Mary???

1861 James is a master carter living in Webster St nr Fontenoy St.

Tina

Has anyone found Elizabeth Duke anywhere yet? I can't find her born Liverpool.
Barbara

Liverpool may be just one of those little slips sometimes made as to place of birth. The only Elizabeth I could see in Lancs with a father John is here in 1841:
DUKE, John - 55 - 1786 - Ag labourer - Lancashire.
DUKE, Elizabeth - 53 - 1788 - Lancashire.
DUKE, Elizabeth - 12 - 1829 - Lancashire.
DUKE, Ann F - 10 - 1831 - Lancashire.
DUKE, Agnes - 5 - 1836 - Lancashire.
Address: Dalton, Dalton In Furness, Lancashire.
Registration district: Ulverstone.
RG number: HO107 - Piece: 529 - Book/Folio: 2/19 - Page: 3.

I reckon this could be her in 1851, a servant in the household of a Minister:
WELTON, Henry Nelson - Head - Md - 47 - 1804 - Incumbant Curate Of Ireleth - Whicham, Cumberland.
WALTON, Mary - Wife - 40 - 1811 - Incumbent Wife - Bootle, Cumberland.
then children.... and then:
DUKE, Elizabeth - Servant - Single - 22 - 1829 - House Servant - Dalton,
Lancashire.
Address: Village Of Ireleth, Division Or Chapelry Of Ireleth, Lancs.
Registration District: Ulverstone.
RG number: HO107 - Piece: 2275 - Folio: 159 - Page: 16.

Dickiesam

Those are the ones I found as well. It would be interesting to know how Henry and Elizabeth met.
Barbara

Hi Guys - me again need to find out more on William Twist. His parents' name, also think he may have married a Mary.....as shown on 1841 census and then a Margaret...... He died before 1851 census - date?

Thank you - regards Maggie

dickiesam wrote:Here's the only William Twist with a son Henry in the Lancs 1841. William's occupation is Farrier.

1841:
TWIST, William - 40 - 1801 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Mary - 45 - 1796 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Francis - 15 - 1826 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Margaret - 10 - 1831 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Henry - 8 - 1833 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Mary - 4 - 1837 - Lancashire.
Address: Green Lane, Walton On The Hill.
HO107 - Piece: 520 - Book/Folio: 8/53 - Page: 6.

Dickiesam

Can anyone give me any more information on the DUKE'S? - Have found a John Duke with parents, William and Sarah Duke - do you think this is correct?

Appreciate any help I can get. Thank you. Maggie

dickiesam wrote:Liverpool may be just one of those little slips sometimes made as to place of birth. The only Elizabeth I could see in Lancs with a father John is here in 1841:
DUKE, John - 55 - 1786 - Ag labourer - Lancashire.
DUKE, Elizabeth - 53 - 1788 - Lancashire.
DUKE, Elizabeth - 12 - 1829 - Lancashire.
DUKE, Ann F - 10 - 1831 - Lancashire.
DUKE, Agnes - 5 - 1836 - Lancashire.
Address: Dalton, Dalton In Furness, Lancashire.
Registration district: Ulverstone.
RG number: HO107 - Piece: 529 - Book/Folio: 2/19 - Page: 3.

I reckon this could be her in 1851, a servant in the household of a Minister:
WELTON, Henry Nelson - Head - Md - 47 - 1804 - Incumbant Curate Of Ireleth - Whicham, Cumberland.
WALTON, Mary - Wife - 40 - 1811 - Incumbent Wife - Bootle, Cumberland.
then children.... and then:
DUKE, Elizabeth - Servant - Single - 22 - 1829 - House Servant - Dalton,
Lancashire.
Address: Village Of Ireleth, Division Or Chapelry Of Ireleth, Lancs.
Registration District: Ulverstone.
RG number: HO107 - Piece: 2275 - Folio: 159 - Page: 16.

Dickiesam

Hi Goodie
What did you think about my post?

Tina

Hi Tina:

Sorry, I thought I had responded to this message. Fantastic that you have the Helesby/Twist link.

Don't think 1851 showing Ann Twist, widow is correct, as I think Ann died before 1841 census, as Mary is shown (presuming this as his second wife).

Regards Maggie

Tina wrote:John Talbot Twist and Henry Helesby Twist

How about this
Marriage 24/2/1822 St James Lpl
William Twist to Ann HELSBY...

1851 has an Ann Twist carter wid 51 in Cow Lane
son Jas as spelt 21 also Hy 18 Wllm 9.

HO107/2179/698/44

1861 Ann at same address.

IGI Baptism St Mary The Virgin W. Dby 7/7/1833
Henry to William & Anne Twist
same church & parents, Margaret 1828 & Mary 1837

If the 1841 is correct the mother was Mary???

1861 James is a master carter living in Webster St nr Fontenoy St.

Tina

Hi Maggie
Tks for reply
Pls can you show Mary in census with Jas & Hy

Tina

Is this what you mean Tina?


1841:
TWIST, William - 40 - 1801 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Mary - 45 - 1796 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Francis - 15 - 1826 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Margaret - 10 - 1831 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Henry - 8 - 1833 - Lancashire.
TWIST, Mary - 4 - 1837 - Lancashire.
Address: Green Lane, Walton On The Hill.
HO107 - Piece: 520 - Book/Folio: 8/53 - Page: 6.

Tina wrote:Hi Maggie
Tks for reply
Pls can you show Mary in census with Jas & Hy

Tina