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Hello to all,
looking for help in locating information for an Amelia Hughes:

This is information I know:

-She was convicted at Lancaster, Liverpool Boro' Quarter Sessions
-received 7 years for stealing a pair of shoes
-Sent to Tasmania on Nov. 16, 1843---departed from London
-Arrived in Tasmania on Apr. 2, 1844 - age 19 with a 15 month old illigitimate baby named Charlotte. She had 3 other illigitimate girls while in prison.
-Freed March, 1850 in Tasmania

She would have been born around 1825 or 1826, probably Liverpool.

Any information would be greatley appreciated.

Thanks, Frank

In my resource the only entry I have found is probably too early.

St James, George Street, Manchester
Amelia Hughes born 23 February 1805
Baptised 12 June 1805
Parents Robert and Eliz. Hughes

Between 1823 and 1830 there are four Amelia Hughes baptisms, one in St Helens and three in Liverpool, check the IGI.

From the Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Friday, March 31, 1843; Issue 1664.

LIVERPOOL MARCH SESSIONS .
....... Amelia Hughes 18 and Alice Jones 18, for stealing a pair of boots, the property of Elizabeth Eden.

Although there should be more around about that age, the only one I find in the 1841 census is

Queen Street, Dale Street, Liverpool
All born in county
Ann Hughes 70 (Widow crossed through)
Richard 34 Mariner
Samuel 30 Shipwright
William 19 (occupation unclear)
Amelia Hughes 15
HO107; Piece 556; Book: 19; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 7; Page: 7

Checking for an Alice Jones nearby, I think the nearest seems to be in Lional Street, Islington, age 15 born Ireland, also listed with her are Robert Jones, 20 Tailor not born in county and Ann Jones, 20 born Ireland.

OR coincidentally

Circus Street, Islington, Liverpool
All born in county
John Hughes 35 Whitesmith
Elizabeth 35
Elizabeth 12
Joseph 15 Coal? Ap.
Alice Jones 16
HO107; Piece 559; Book: 19; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 26; Folio: 23; Page: 41
No sign of an Amelia

There are two Elizabeth Hughes baptised in St Peters with parents John & Elizabeth, but on the IGI there doesn't appear to be a Joseph. Perhaps you should check the original register and see the father's occupation and then search around about the date for an Amelia, possibly having been mistranscribed.

Looking for Elizabeth Eden
Bridges? Court, seems to be off Gilbert Street, Liverpool
All born in County
Frances Eden 40 Shoe Binder
Elizabeth 20 Servant
John Johnson 30 Tobacconist
Sarah 30
HO107; Piece 565; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 35; Page: 17

There is another in Temple Buildings, Dale Street, LIverpool
Thomas Eden 40 Printer Ireland
Ellen 40 Ireland
Elizabeth 17 No
HO107; Piece 562; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 37; Folio: 4; Page: 1

Nothing conclusive I'm afraid but a few items to keep on file.

Hi Frank
Congrats to you, finding out so much about Amelia when she was transported. I don't know how you did it!!
We can look in 1841 census however, Amelia may have been born somewhere else?
There's an Amelia aged 15 in 1841, Ann 70 poss widowed crossed out?
Richard 34 mariner, Samuel 30 shipwright, William 19 can't read occupation, all born Lancs.
Queen St, Dale St area Lpool.

Remembering ages were rounded off in this census, there's also
Amelia 20, Fredk 25, John 50 tailor, Mary 55.
Fontenoy St to ? St, Dale St area.

Good luck
Tina

Hello Tina and Mary, thanks for your interest.

The Amelia, age 15, that is on the 1841 census could possibly be the right one as the age is correct. The prison record I found in Tasmania says she was 19 when she arrived there in 1844. She already had a 15 month old illigitimate child named Charlotte and proceeded to have 3 more.
I found an IGI record for an Amelia Hughes which gives her christening as Mar. 12, 1826 at Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Says the parents were William Hughes and Ellen. This seems to be the 15 year old Amelia on the 1841 census although the parents don't seem to be there on the census.

She was released in 1850 and looks like she married a William Glover in 1856. One of their daughters (Alice) married a Henry Jones who founded the IXL jam company in Hobart, Tasmania. Henry Jones became very well known and was knighted and was very successfull and influential.

Hoping to expand on Amelia's time in England.

Regards, Frank

MaryA wrote:
Between 1823 and 1830 there are four Amelia Hughes baptisms, one in St Helens and three in Liverpool, check the IGI.

Please don't assume that because an age matches a christening that it would be correct. As we all know ages given on censuses or even marriage certificates, often vary, and a christening could have taken place a number of years after birth.

Also, ages on the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearest 5 after the age of 15. The Amelia stated to be 15 could be anything up to age 20.

You need further evidence before accepting this as proof.

You say she married in 1856 - is there no father's name given on the marriage certificate?

Hi Mary, you are right about making assumptions like that. Just sort of thinking out loud about the possibilities. I don't have a marriage certificate about the marriage in 1856, just an entry I found on the following site

http://coad.perso.sfr.fr/names.htm#G

under GLOVER.

Thanks, Frank

Hello, I am the one who has a lot of the info on Amelia, great lot of stuff about convicts is available here in Aust!!
She has 3 brothers and one sister listed on her convict indent, named John, Elisha,?Josh, and ?Anne, and also 'father of any child John Brown, bricklayer'. Maybe some of this may help?

Great to hear from you Clive and especially your information.
Welcome

Tina

Clive Keane wrote:Hello, I am the one who has a lot of the info on Amelia, great lot of stuff about convicts is available here in Aust!!
She has 3 brothers and one sister listed on her convict indent, named John, Elisha,?Josh, and ?Anne, and also 'father of any child John Brown, bricklayer'. Maybe some of this may help?

Hi Clive, all of the info. you have provided has been great. Hopefully we can get further back into Amelia's background in England. Say Hello to Truda and will be e-mailing you soon.

Regards, Frank

Hello I'm back again and just looked at all the correspondence on Amelia. It seems no census info turned up the siblings John,Elisha,?Josh and ?Anne, so where do we go from here? The supposed father of her child was John Brown builder, and the child, Charlotte was 15 months on their arrival in Hobart on 7/4/1844 which means she was born approx early 1843. Would it be worth looking for a John Brown builder in a census or for a Charlotte Hughes birth?

Thanks Clive

This is a bit late to be 19 months old in April 1844. Only one on FreeBMD born in Lancashire, 1841 - 1843 [including variations on forename].

Births Dec 1843 > Hughes, Charlotte - Liverpool - 20 - 300.

BUT! There's this one coming up as 'un-named female' that is a close match:
Births Mar qtr 1842: Hughes - Female - Liverpool - 20 - 404.

Dickiesam

It is possible that the registration entry for

Charlotte Hughes Q4 1843 Liverpool 20 300 is your girl, despite the date being out a bit, maybe a late registration, however, if you did decide to go down this line and order, I would stipulate that the mother's name should be Amelia, otherwise you don't want the certificate.

Was there no parents listed on the convict record?

I would definitely get a copy of Amelia's marriage certificate.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Hello to all, just trying to revive this post. Have not found any documents which has Amelia's parents names in Australia.

Any new ideas on how to approach this search in Liverpool?

Thnks, Frank

Perhaps you could give us the information from her marriage certificate, hopefully that will give us something to begin with.

Thanks for your reply Mary. I have not actually found her marriage certificate. On the Colonial Tasmanian Convict Archives I found that she married a William Glover in Port Cygnet, Tasmania in 1857. She had 4 children:

1-Henry Glover 1856 (got a bit of an early start)
2-Jane Glover 1858
3-F Glover 1861
4-Alice Glover 1866

These are in addition to the 3 she had while serving time and the one girl, 19 mths old Charlotte, which she brought with her on the boat. I found out from Clive Keane that Charlotte died at about 2 years old shortly after arriving in Tasmania.

I have not found a death record either.

Frank

Although there should be more around about that age, the only one I find in the 1841 census is

Queen Street, Dale Street, Liverpool
All born in county
Ann Hughes 70 (Widow crossed through)
Richard 34 Mariner
Samuel 30 Shipwright
William 19 (occupation unclear)
Amelia Hughes 15
HO107; Piece 556; Book: 19; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 7; Page: 7

Lancashire OPC has the following baptism:
Baptisms: 26 Jun 1826 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charlotte Amelia Hughes - Child of Richard Hughes & Charlotte
Abode: Trueman Street
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1826, Page 237, Entry 1896
Source: LDS 1656419

Could explain why Amelia called her daughter Charlotte ?

Only other baptism for Richard and Charlotte is Richard in 1828.

Thanks Alison, very possible that it could be her because of the baptism date and the Charlotte connection. I'll continue digging.

There seems to be another Amelia Hughes born March 12, 1826 and whose parents were William Hughes and Ellen ? The parish record says they lived on Queen St.

Does anyone have access to the Lancaster Liverpool Boro' Quarter Sessions? She was sentenced on March 20, 1843. Wondering if the record would have any mention of parents or where she was living.

Thanks, Frank

Liverpool Mercury, Friday, March 31, 1843








Blue

Hi

Its possible Charlotte Amelia is your lady..still having doubts regarding the names she gave as siblings Elisha..Elijah..Josh..Ann & John no mention of a Richard, if it is her looks like her mum Charlotte had died and Richard her father is living with his mother and brothers Samuel & William..could be these youger children are in a Home..its just a thourght.

Elizabeth Eden had a shop on Byrom Street according to Newspaper report source (Newspaper Archives) on Genesreuntied, maybe a help

Col xx