James Coupe.

[margie]

James Coupe born c 1817 Whittingham Kirkham married Ann Duckett 1841 Chapel of St Wilfred Preston, think they had 3 children Thomas 1841. Alice 1845, Elizabeth 1848 (dates and names sent to me along time ago so cant verify the details) all born Crosby Claughton.

I can fined no reference to the family until;

1891 RG12 3018 95 when James is living with his nephew in St.Helens

1901 James RG13 3457 134.

James died 1901 St Joseph Home 4 Belmont Road and is buried Ford Cemetery Litherland.

Wife Ann died 1884 55 Boundry Lane Everton also buried Ford Cemetery.

Can anyone help please,
Thanks Margie.

[MaryA]

To assist anybody trying to help
1891 109 College Street. St Helens
William Coupe Head M 25 Joiner Lancashire St Helens
Anna Wife M 26 Lancashire Billinge
George Son 5 " St Helens
William " 3 " "
Albert J " 1 " "
Lilly Dixon Sister S 15 Dom Servant " "
James Coupe Uncle Widower 74 Joiner Whittingham
Elizabeth Berwick Boarder 16 Domestic Servant Lancashire St Helens

and in 1901 St Joseph's Home, 4 Belmont Road, Anfield, Walton on the Hill
James Coupe Inmate Widower 82 No occupation Lancashire Preston

I would be interested in the verification of the marriage and children.

Can you confirm where "Crosby Claughton" is as there appears to be no trace on googlemaps of this place, nor a location listed in any census.

[MaryA]

1851 Ormskirk Road, Preston, Lancashire
James Coupe Head M 36 Joiner and Builder Whittingham
Ann Wife 35 Clay????
Thomas son 10 Crosby " (this ditto doesn't appear to relate to anything above except the illegible part of Clay????)
Alice daur 7 Crosby "
Elizabeth daur 3 Preston
John Shipcott Lodger M 30 County Constable Silverton "
Elizabeth Wife 30 Milliner Ireland
William son 1 Ireland
HO107; Piece: 2267; Folio: 455; Page: 47

[MaryA]

1861
12 Claughton Road, Birkenhead, Cheshire
James Coupe Head M 41 Joiner Lancashire Whittingham
Ann Wife M 44 Lancashire Claughton
Alice daur 15 Lancashire Crosby
Elizabeth Ann daur 13 Lancashire Preston
RG 9; Piece: 2642; Folio: 84; Page: 1

[Hilary]

Thomas Coupe's birth was registered in the GarstangReg District in 1842. Claughton is within the reg district so I imagine mum went home to have the baby.

I can't see definites for the other 2 children.

[Bertieone]

1871
James Coup,
RG10 P3747 F111 Page6
Sussex Terrace
James Coup, 52
Ann Coup 58
Eliza A Coup 22
Mary C Lee 78
Thomas Harshens 27
Eliza Sanderson 55





1881,
James Coup
RG11 P3673 F45 Page30
James Coup
Ann Coup 68
Elizabeth Coup 28

Boundary Lane

[Bertieone]

Map, Approx 1890.

The 2 addresses they lived in Birkenhead, 1861, Claughton rd. 1871, Sussex Terrace/Street.

[MaryA]

Filled those gaps in nicely didn't we?

PS I have a feeling that Crosby isn't the one near Southport but there is one further north nearer Preston, fits well with the Garstang baptism.

[Bertieone]

Preston Chronicle, December 4, 1841.

Marriage date, 30 November 1841

[margie]

To Mary A, Hilary, & Bert.

Wow that's fantastic, where did you find the Census ??

Bert, the Map is brilliant.

Thank you all so much.

Margie.

[MaryA]

where did you find the Census ??

Many of us use Ancestry but as we have given the references you would be able to find them using these on any subscription site that has them

[margie]

Mary A,

Thank you.

Margie

[margie]

Could I ask for your help again please to find what happened to the children.

Thomas not on the 1861 Census.

Alice missing in 1871.

Elizabeth A after 1881.

Thanks Margie.

[Bertieone]

removed, wrong

[Bertieone]

removed, wrong

[margie]

Thanks Bert, for looking but this is a different family my James died in 1901, very confusing I know but the James on that MC was a farmer, I initially thought it was my family but not so.

Margie.

[Bertieone]

Thanks Bert, for looking but this is a different family my James died in 1901, very confusing I know but the James on that MC was a farmer, I initially thought it was my family but not so.

Margie.

I mistook it for Joiner.

[MaryA]

I think you need to investigate some marriages as there is a possible Elizabeth A to Joseph Rawcliffe in 1882 at Preston, St Saviour with St James and she might just fit with an Elizabeth Rawcliffe living in 41 Atkinson Street, Preston age 40 and noted as married but husband not at home RG12; Piece: 3439; Folio: 43; Page: 23

Also one who married Henry R Wilson in Toxteth Park, St. James in 1886, and another who married in the same year to Joseph Henry Wearden in Preston Register Office.

It seems to be a case of discounting those that are incorrect.

[Bertieone]

The following can be discounted,

Elizabeth A Coup/Joseph Rawcliffe, Father, George Coup.

Elizabeth Alice Coupe/Henry R Wilson, Father, Samuel C Coupe

[margie]

Thank you both for your help,

Hope you all have a great Christmas all the best for the New Year.

Margie