Albert Ernest Taylor b.1910 14 Vickers Street, Toxteth Park

[meljlane]

Trying to locate any information relating to my grandfather Albert Ernest Taylor born 28 June 1910 and died of TB in Nov 1955. Medically discharged from the Gordon Highlanders in 1942. Previously married to Evelyn Salter. Father's name was also Albert Ernest (1873 born Brighton and died 1935 Liverpool. Please help. No info in family at all...

Mel Lane (nee Taylor)

[Bertieone]

Hi,

Marriage, 9 Feb 1913, St Mathews, Toxteth Pk,
Albert Ernest Tayor, 40 widower, Labourer, 14 Vickers St, Father, Thomas Taylor, Labourer
Edith Young, 31, spinster, 25 Tarbet St? Father, Richard Young, Quartermaster, Deceased.

Witnesses, Richard Young, Lilian May Roberts.

[Tina]

Welcome aboard Mel
Good luck
1911 census 14 Vickers St
Albert Ernest 37 timber carrier bn Brighton
Edie Taylor 30 married 2 yrs, 1 child
Albert 9 mnths
Willie Flemming 4 and a half STEPSON
Eveline YOUNG niece 5yrs
all born Liverpool.
Something not adding up here??

[Tina]

Marriage june qtr 1903 Lpool Free BMD (Lpool R.O or registrar attended Lancs BMD)
Edith Young to Wm Edwd Fleming.

Birth june qtr Tox Park 1906
Wm Fleming
Baptism for Wm Richard Fleming St James Tockie Park
3rd June 1906 father Wm Edwd porter
mother Edith
14 Vickers St.

Hi Bert interesting marriage find

[Tina]

Hi Mel
I believe the mother Emma of Richard (witness) and Edith came from the I.O.M
Pursue later.
Why did they say they had been married for 2 yrs on 1911 census??
Defacto??
Wm Edwd Fleming still alive?
It's a puzzle for sure.

[jan44]

I have been looking at a few things for 14 Vickers Street, I checked the 1901 census to see if the Taylor's or Young's were there in 1901, but they were not there.

I found a burial reg on the Toxteth cem indexes 15th Jan 1911 Annie Young age 28 wife - address 14 Vickers Street.

Jan

[jan44]

Well well well!

marriage 14th August 1904 St John The Baptist Toxteth

Richard Young bachelor age 22 mariner 19 Beamish Street father Richard Young mariner
Annie Conley Spinster age 21 25 Beamish Street father John Conley Butcher

Witnesses: William Edward Flemming
Jane Ormond

Jan

[Bertieone]

1911 census,
Edie Taylor is Edith Flemming nee Young, Albert and Edie have a son born out of wedlock, to avoid embarrassment they declare they have been married 2 years, they marry 2 years later and Edith uses her birth name of Young instead of Flemming, providing she did marry William Flemming in 1903, if she did and then remarries as a spinster, Hmmmm.

[jan44]

I found this info on the familysearch.org website

Christening 11th May 1873 St Peter Brighton Sussex Albert Ernest Taylor - Parents Thomas and Emma

Also a marriage 17th July 1926 St Luke Liverpool Albert Ernest Taylor bn about 1873 - Elizabeth Iddison, I think her maiden name was also Taylor

Jan

[Alison C]

Also a marriage 17th July 1926 St Luke Liverpool Albert Ernest Taylor bn about 1873 - Elizabeth Iddison, I think her maiden name was also Taylor

FreeBMD shows a death for an Edith Taylor aged 34 in Q4 1915 (Toxteth Park, 8b, 268)

Liverpool History Projects site has a burial for an Edith Taylor in 1915 at Allerton Cemetery.

Alison

[jan44]

Great find Alison.

Also in 1911 Emma Young was listed at 14 Vickers Street occupying one room.

Jan

[Tina]

Just reading up on the latest input. Thank you Jan, Bertie and Alison.
Good post this one.
Eveline niece from 1911 census could be the widowed Richard's daughter, he may have been at sea?

[jan44]

Thanks Tina,

I am wondering if the little girl Eveline is actually Emmeline Young. there is a baptism 1906 for an Emmalina (mispelt) at St John the baptist father's name Richard (seaman) mother Ellen.

I can't find an Emmeline Young on the 1911

There is a marriage for Emmeline Young 1929 - Albert Edward Horne

Jan

[Tina]

Thanks Jan, good find for the baptism.
I guess a first name like this will have many variations.
Mother as Ellen not Agnes 1906
Can't read the street name in Tockie

[jan44]

Edith Young's baptism is on ancestry Toxteth St James 8th Oct 1882 father Richard Mariner mother Emma address 9 Vickers Street.

The family are in Avison Street 1891 there is also a Sidney Young and a sister Emma, Sidney's baptism is also on ancestry 1889 Toxteth Holy Trinity, father Richard, mother Emma address 16 Avison Street. They are at 18 Avison Street 1901.

Richard and Emma didn't marry until 1878, and the daughter Emma is born abt 1873/4.

Now this gets a bit complicated!

Emma the daughter marries under surname Cain to Joseph Rock, St Peter's Liverpool 1893, (details on familysearch.org) gives her father's name as Robert Cain. Emma has a son Ernest Rock born 1897.

Emma Rock then marries in 1909 to Walter Richardson Jennings Toxteth St James, and then gives her father's name as Richard Young!

Address for both Upper Stanhope Street.

[jan44]

Getting back to Albert Ernest Taylor bn 1873 Brighton

This could be his birth reg

Name: Albert Ernest Taylor
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1873
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 187

1881 census RG11 1087 folio 42 page 22 15 York Road Brighton (in the parish of St Peter, Brighton)

Thomas Taylor head married age 53 Plasterer bn Brighton
Emma wife age 49 bn Brighton
George J son age 18 bn Eastbourne
Rose E dau age 12 bn Brighton
Albert E son age 8 bn Brighton

Same address 1871
Thomas Taylor age 41
Emma age 38
George age 9
Caroline age 5
Rose age 2
Arthur age 7 months

All born Brighton

Jan