Katie's Mega Brick wall/Charles Henry Lorne

[Gray]

1901 has Francis born Burnley all the rest L.pool
RG13 Piece 3473 folio 103 pg13

80 Robsart str; Everton

Catherine 45
Frances 17 born Burnley occ: carter
James 17 occ: tin plate worker
Thomas 12
Timothy 10

Gray

[Bertieone]

1901,

Robsart st?

Catherine Healey, Liverpool, 45
Francis, Burnley, 21
James 17, Lpool
Thomas, 12, Lpool
Timothy, 10, Lpool

Rg13 P3473, F103 Page13

[Bertieone]

Duplicated, posted same time


Birth, Francis William Healey,
1879, Burnley, 8b 222

[Katie]

Goes to show about incorrect places of birth on census records.

[Katie]

I have just found Timothy Healey's baptism at All Souls 1891 and the Godmother is Catherine Learn.

[simone]

Hi Katie.. sorry coming in on back end of this and just trying to get my head around it

Have you looked into this family at all, they have obviously been in Liverpool at some point..

1881 census
RG11; Piece: 3070; Folio: 42; Page: 35
6 Court 2 House Ruth? St, Coventry
Charles Laugharne 47 b Berkley, Glous, watch finisher
Mary A. Laugharne 47 b Liverpool
Henry Laugharne 21b Liverpool
Emma Laugharne 18 b Liverpool
Charles Laugharne 8b Coventrey
William Laugharne 5 b Coventry

[simone]

red herring I think... this Charles seems to have been Watch Finisher all his life.. somewhat different to a Labourer

[Katie]

Got all excited about that one way back but tracked them and eliminated them. There are a couple of Baptisms at St Vincent de Paul for a Charles Lorn and Nicholas Lorn sons of Charles and Ann Lorne (Nee Moore) Charles date of birth is given as 13th February 1881. I haven't been able to find anything on this lot apart from the Baptisms.

I tell you there is is something shady with my Charles Henry Laugharne

[simone]

There's a death in 1879 of a Charles Loughrin age 46, buried at Ford.. can't find him anywhere
names a bit different but you never know

[Bertieone]

Hi Simone,

If Emily and Catherine have the same father, re marriages, there should be a death for a George Lorne between 1881 and 1886, but can't find one.

[Bertieone]

1861, Wellington dock, Vessels, Fishing Boat,

William Laugharne 32
Henry Laugharne 25
John Awins 40
John Dun 17
George Laugharne 20, Liverpool

RG 9; Piece: 4506; Folio: 318;

[simone]

no can't see it either Bert

The 1871 census mentioned earlier is a puzzlement isn't it

RG10; Piece: 3827; Folio: 9; Page: 11
Joshua Campbell 65 paper hanger
Catherine Edwards 36 widow
George Edwards 17 grandson paperhanger
Alice Edwards 13 granddaughter
Charles Campbell 10 grandson
Catherine Lane 4 granddaughter
Fanny Lams 1 granddaughter

Catherine is a widow, but has 2 Larne children with her, so she can't have married Mr Larne then
Are the Larne children really hers then or is she just looking after them with her dad And who is Charles Campbell, surely can't be hers because he was born after she married Mr Edwards... and too old to Charles Larne


Births Jun 1866
LARNE
Catherine
Liverpool
8b 15

Births Jun 1867
Larney
Catherine
Liverpool
8b 176

[Katie]

Simone, I look at any spelling that's similar to Lorne. There has to be a logical explanation why Charles is eluding us prior to 1901. Also there is no marriage of Catherine Edwards (nee Campbell) to a George Laugharne. My gut instinct is to take the plunge and apply for that Birth Registration for Charles Henry Laugharne in 1874 and not put a father down as I think he was illigitimate.

[simone]

Yep think so Katie can't wait to see what's on it

[Katie]

no can't see it either Bert

The 1871 census mentioned earlier is a puzzlement isn't it

RG10; Piece: 3827; Folio: 9; Page: 11
Joshua Campbell 65 paper hanger
Catherine Edwards 36 widow
George Edwards 17 grandson paperhanger
Alice Edwards 13 granddaughter
Charles Campbell 10 grandson
Catherine Lane 4 granddaughter
Fanny Lams 1 granddaughter

Catherine is a widow, but has 2 Larne children with her, so she can't have married Mr Larne then
Are the Larne children really hers then or is she just looking after them with her dad And who is Charles Campbell, surely can't be hers because he was born after she married Mr Edwards... and too old to Charles Larne


Births Jun 1866
LARNE
Catherine
Liverpool
8b 15

Births Jun 1867
Larney
Catherine
Liverpool
8b 176

If you look at the birth registrations for these children of Catherine E Edwards (nee Campbell)

Births Mar 1867
Laugharne Catherine W. Derby 8b 350
Laugharne Susan W. Derby 8b 350 Died March qtr 1871 4years old

Births Jun 1870
Laugharne Fanny Liverpool 8b 30

Births Jun 1874
Laugharne Charles Henry W. Derby 8b 361

I think Emily was born in Ireland if that is her on the 1901 Census up in Toxteth.

Too much of a coincidence for my Charles Henry Lornes birth and this Charles Henry Laugharne born 1874.

[Katie]

I've ordered the certificate before I changed my mind.

Keep you posted

[simone]

Yes too much of a coincidence. The spelling is consistent for the children isn't it.

[Gray]

Many apologies if this has been listed previously.. have looked but cannot see it

1891: RG12 Piece 2945 folio: 133 pg 42

Catherine Lorne(mother) & Charles Lorne are living with Harrison Black at 4 Portland Pl Everton.

The 1871 that Bert listed was Portland street.. another coincidence?

Gray

[Katie]

Yes Gray we have that. The only thing that concerns me is Charles Lorne aged 17 years in 1891, is also on the 1901 Census with his mum. My Charles Lorne is in Comus Street living as a married man with Mary Fagan. I suppose stranger things have happened and there was some trouble about him taking up with a Catholic.

The names do go through the family Simone fingers crossed the certificate will give the answer. Thank you all who have helped.

[Katie]

Still waiting for the Postman with this Certificate no sign yet. I gave my dad a grilling, and he said a Ann Crosby married a Healey and they lived in Gerrard Gardens. the Crosby family are connected to the Fagan side of the tree, too complicated to go through at the moment (there was a court case) I have not been able to locate a marriage of a Crosby getting married to a Healey. I want my Charles Henry Laugharne certificate now!!! been holding off on this for 13 years and they take ages to deliver the certificate.