Connor Margaret

[steviebyday]

this fine lady married my grandfather, in litherland in 1921, her age is down as 24,her father is william conner, had two sisters Annie, Mary, and a brother also William, cannot find any trace of this family, on the census, 1901/1911. as far as i know they were liverpool people.

[dickiesam]

Hi,
Is this the marriage you are referring to?

Margaret Conner married Roy H Ogley
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1921; Mar qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 552

What was her father's occupation on the marriage cert and the names of witnesses?

Lancashire BMD have her name as CONNOR Margaret, marrying OGLEY Roy H, at Litherland, St Philip, South Sefton.

And the GRO Births Index have 5 births, all Ogley nee Connor - West Derby.
Dorothea J - 1921; Francis - 1923; Mary E - 1924; Margarita - 1929; and Ruth A - 1933.

Wondering if the Conner spelling on the marriage cert was an error.

[Tina]

Hi D.S
There's a Margaret Conner bn 1897 in service in Old Swan in 1911.
If we had more details from her marr cert, we could try and find them in census or in Directories for 1911.
No luck so far with father Wm.
There is a tree in Anx which lists just 2 kiddies, her birth year 1892.

[steviebyday]

yes thats the correct marriage, conner is spelt with an E on the marriage certificate, william conner is down as a teamster , witnessses alfred ogley/william conner, the spelling looks like an E, even the witnesses signature. asked the surviving aunts and they have no information on her family at all, only that brother william may have won a medal, i presume in ww1.

[Tina]

Hi, not much help really.
Found the Ogley's Yorkshire born in Orrell in 1911
Alfred has a son Roy Hepworth Ogley aged 11yrs.
The 3 younger sibs of Roy were born in Litherland/Bootle.
So father Wm Conner/Connor was alive at time of marriage.
Steve do you have addresses please from marr cert. Tks

[dickiesam]

Steve,
The 1911 sighting posted earlier looks very promising but I have drawn a blank in the 1901 so far, assuming her father's name of William is correct.

I suggest you have a try at locating the birth cert for Margaret Connor/Conner. There are only 3 births registered in Liverpool between 1896 and 1898 and all are Connor.

Births Dec 1896: Connor, Margaret - Liverpool - 8b - 84
Births Mar 1897: Connor, Margaret - W. Derby - 8b - 397
Births Sep 1898: Connor, Margaret Alice - W. Derby - 8b - 377

The GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... efault.asp will search one year either side of 1897 for a matching birth. To get them to do a search, when you get to the 'Certificate choice' page, after ticking the Birth Cert box, there's a question at the bottom asking whether the GRO reference is known. Tick the 'No' box and just enter the year 1897. even though you know the Index Reference [Qtr, Volume and Page numbers, etc], don't enter anything else here.

The 'Delivery address details' page comes next, and after that a new page will open allowing you to enter the names of the parents if known. The GRO will search the given year and 1 year either side. If they don't find the cert with the exact details you specified they will refund the full fee.

While searching the 1901 I came across a Margaret Connor bn abt 1895 with a father's name given as E James Connor, carter. RG13 - 3481 - 143 - 7. Address: 53 Upper Bean Street, Everton.
Wondering if the name on the marriage cert could be a badly written E James Conner. The occupation given for William of teamster [a man in charge of a team of horses hauling loads] is very close to carter.

[steviebyday]

the name for the father is definatly william and the address is down as 15 sefton st.

[dickiesam]

Re the three births I posted, it looks as though the 1897 one could be your Margaret, but you still need the birth cert to confirm the father's name.

I found these two baptisms on http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... cbaptisms/ which might rule out the 1896 and 1898 birth.
Bn: 1896 - Bpt: 1896 - MARGARET CONNOR - Father: JOSEPH - Mother: ELIZABETH MOORE.
Bn: 1898 - Bpt: 1898 - MARGARET CONNOR - Father: JOHN - Mother: ANN GALLAGHER.

You might find the 1897 baptism record in the Liverpool collection on Ancestry.

[jan44]

Is this Margaret's death reg? (gives year of birth 1892)

Margaret Ogley
Birth Date: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1966
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 42

There is also a will on anc, to Margarita Ogley Spinster.

Roy H Ogley Death reg

Name: Roy H Ogley
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 31

He also leaves a will to wife Margaret

Jan

[steviebyday]

Thats her, b 1892, rumour has it when she first claimed her pension, she could have had it earlier.I was way out with her date of birth.

[dickiesam]

Good finds Jan... Perhaps the age on the marriage cert is wrong. Wouldn't be the first time a woman has 'lost' five years in a census or a marriage. On the other hand, a 7 could be mistaken for a 2 and vice-versa?
The daughter's birth...
Births Sep 1929: Ogley, Margarita - nee Connor - W. Derby - 8b - 602.

[dickiesam]

From: http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co....cbaptisms/

ST SYLVESTER - Bn: 1892 - Bpt: 1892 - MARGARET CONNOR - Father: WILLIAM - Mother: CATHERINE KILROY.

Births Jun 1892: Connor, Margaret - Toxteth Park - 8b - 182
Births Sep 1892: Connor, Margaret - W. Derby - 8b - 444

[jan44]

On the Liverpool History projects site, there are more baptisms of children to the same couple (Margaret included)

between 1888 and 1898.

Jan

[dickiesam]

Hi Jan,
It looks like this could be the family Steve is looking for because there is a William and a Mary among the children. I believe Annie may have been born after 1900 when the transcription ceases.
1886 1886 MARTIN CONNOR - WILLIAM - CATHERINE KILROY
1891 1891 WILLIAM CONNOR - WILLIAM - CATHERINE KILROY
1892 1892 MARGARET CONNOR - WILLIAM - CATHERINE - KILROY
1894 1894 ELIZABETH CONNOR - WILLIAM - CATHERINE KILROY
1896 1896 MARY ELLEN CONNOR - WILLIAM - CATHERINE KILROY
1898 1898 CATHERINE CONNOR - WILLIAM - CATHERINE KILROY

If this is the family it cancels my suggestion to get the birth cert based on the earlier assumption that 1897 was correct.

[marchbird]

I found these baptisms at St Joseph's Church. Father William Connor- Mother Mary Gallagher.
Ellen b. 24.3.87 bp. 4.4.87
Ann b. 26.2.89 bp. 9.3.89
William b. 26.3.91 bp. 3.4.91
Margaret b. 22.4.93 bp. 26.4.93

This family are on the 1891 census living at 1, 1 Court, Thurlow Street, Liverpool

CONNOR, William Head Married M 30 1861 Groom Liverpool
CONNOR, Mary Wife Married F 26 1865 Liverpool
CONNOR, Mary Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar Liverpool
CONNOR, Ellen Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Liverpool
CONNOR, Ann Daughter F 2 1889 Liverpool
CONNOR, William Son M 0 (11D) 1891 Liverpool
GALLAGHER, Patrick Father In Law Married M 50 1841 Dock Labourer Ireland Mayo
GALLAGHER, Ann Mother In Law Married F 51 1840 Warehouseman Ireland Mayo
GALLAGHER, William Brother In Law Single M 17 1874 Dealer Liverpool
GALLAGHER, Bridget Sister In Law F 12 1879 Scholar Liverpool

Census 1891
Piece 2920: Folio 36: Page 7: Reg. Dist. Liverpool.

Marchbird

[jan44]

Martin Connor's baptism record on anc has a note in the column that he married Margaret Livingston (Alias Collins) St Mary of The Angels 5th April 1915.

The marriage on anc has the address as 155 Field St for Martin Connor and 29 Spring Place for Margaret Livingston.

I looked at 155 Field St 1911 but no sign of the family there then.

There are also service records on anc for Martin, it names his parents William and Catherine as next of kin, which are crossed out, then wife Margaret, I can just make out an address which looks like 24 Mann St Bootle. (not there either in 1911).

Address for wife Margaret in army papers 10 court 4 house Rockeby St Everton.

Jan

[steviebyday]

Thank you for all your help, loads of information for me to check on, will try to get more information from my aunt but as she said, they new little of their mothers family. Gold stars all round I think. Thanks again steve.

[Katie]

I have carried out research for this family. I have sent a pm to Steviebyday with regards to contact being made.

[steviebyday]

Margaret Connor born april 1892, cannot find any trace of her in 1901/1911 census, likewise her brother, William born earlier about 1890/91.if i have the correct family living in thurlow st, 1891, family rumour has it she went into a convent, found a william connor born 1892 in liverpool,living in st vincents boys home garstang rd preston in the 1901 census,don't know if its the same lad, no trace of margaret though,tried to get more information from surviving aunts, but they know very little. steve

[MaryA]

If she went into a convent, do you mean just to live for a while or to become a nun? If the latter then it may be that she won't be enumerated under her real name.