The Aspinwall Family

[Kate_Aspinwall]

I have started to look for my husband Pete's family on his behalf. His father James (b.18/12/1905) never talked about his family with his son, who thought his father had just one sister, Auntie Millie, and no other close relatives. What I have found is that James had four siblings,
Alice (c.15/11/1899)
Amelia (c.23/5/1901, the known aunt)
Florence (c.12/3/1903) and
William born we think about 1908, presumed died in childhood but thus far still seeking his whereabouts.
His parents were James Aspinwall and Amelia nee Morris (m.1898, All Saints, certificate awaited)

The revelation was that James Snr was married before to Elizabeth Mary nee Gaskell in 1877 at St Nicholas, Liverpool and had a "first family" all born in Walton and Liverpool
Susannah (b 18/7/1877) married John Ellams 11/4/1897
Mary (b 1880) married Robert Whittle 1901
Richard (b 31/12/1881, d. before 1885)
John (b 22/2/1883) married Margaret ?Webster 1903, had two daughters Sarah Elizabeth and Eveline.
Richard (b.25/4/1885) married Mary Elizabeth and had two children Gladys 1906,(m. Harold France 1937) and Samuel James 1910 who married Lydia Daulby 1935
James (b. 1889, buried 6/1/1896).
The marriages are all speculative so far. Elizabeth Mary was buried in 1896 at St Peter and St Paul, in Ormskirk where she was born.
John and Richard lived with James and Amelia in 1901 census at 79 Salop Street, Kirkdale.

Is anyone in your group researching any of the names above and might be able to throw any light on the previously unknown family?

Kate

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. I hope you haven't already ordered the All Saints marriage certificate as it is available online.

10 April, 1898
James Aspinwall 42 Widower Boilermaker Beau Street
Father Richard Aspinwall, Engineer
Amelia Morris 30 Spinster Beau Street
Father William Morris, Porter
Both appear to have signed their names
Witnesses Thomas Howard and Eliza Howard


and for the information of anybody else researching
20 May, 1877 St Nicholas
James Aspinwall Full age Bachelor Boiler Maker, Gt Howard Street
Father Richard Aspinwall, Labourer
Elizabeth Mary Gaskell Minor Spinster Gt Howard Street
Father Richard Gaskell, Wheelwright
The names have been signed, no X's but the writing looks the same for both
Witnesses John Michael Gawle? and Jane somebody, will post the image for opinions.

[simone]

Hi and welcome Kate

In 1910+1
RG14; Piece: 22360
37 Greenwich Road Aintree Walton
James Aspinwall 54 Blacksmith's striker (Railway signal works)
Ameali Aspinwall 43
Alice Aspinwall 11
Ameali Aspinwall 10
Florance Aspinwall 8
James Aspinwall 6
William Aspinwall 3

13 years married, 6 children born, 5 living, 1 died

[dickiesam]

Hi Kate and welcome,
Don't know if you have the Aspinwall family in 1861...

RG09 - Piece: 2706 - Folio: 45 - Page: 25
Address: 28 Napier Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
ASPINWALL, Richard - Head - Md - 34 - 1827 - Engine driver, manufactory - Formby, Lancashire.
ASPINWALL, Alice - wife - 27 - 1834 - Liverpool
ASPINWALL, James - Son - 7 - 1854 - Liverpool
ASPINWALL, Richard - Son - 2 - 1859 - Liverpool
ASPINWALL, William - Son - 1 - 1860 - Liverpool
JONES, Mary - Visitor - 13 - 1848 - Liverpool

[Kate_Aspinwall]

Thank you so much to all of you who helped me. I had no idea I could get certificates online - when I researched my own family the only way was to take yourself in person to the local office and look through the (handwritten) index!

Unfortunately I have already ordered this one, how may I get these online? Every search I do reveals new ways that .com's have found to make money from the unwary researcher.

If I can help with anything in this part of the world please let me know, I'm near Barnstaple in Devon.

Kate

[MaryA]

Ancestry now has many Parish Registers for Lancashire and indeed many other counties available, it's always worth checking there first to see if the particular marriage/baptism or sometimes burial is available there before ordering. You can try and see what databases they hold for yourself as usually they have a two week free trial. You do need to enter debit/credit card details for this so remember to cancel the subscription before the two weeks is over if you don't want to continue with the subscription.

Can you tell us if you need more census entries and whether the information we have found is correct and we might be able to find more.

[Kate_Aspinwall]

The information you have given me confirms what I had found by one "pay as you go" on findmypast. The marriage certificates are confirmation of what I could only suppose to be right before. The "Ameali" spelling of wife and daughter's names was what happens when the householder fills out the census form him/herself, as I know the daughter was called Millie perhaps her mother was too.

Incidentally, the unknown witness might possibly be Rotherham - from the online parish clerks there are some Gaskell children born in 1852-60 in Aughton/Halsall/Ormskirk whose mother's maiden name is listed as Rotherham.
Thanks again
Kate

[dickiesam]

Thank you so much to all of you who helped me. I had no idea I could get certificates online - when I researched my own family the only way was to take yourself in person to the local office and look through the (handwritten) index!

Unfortunately I have already ordered this one, how may I get these online? Every search I do reveals new ways that .com's have found to make money from the unwary researcher.

If I can help with anything in this part of the world please let me know, I'm near Barnstaple in Devon.

Kate

Hi Kate,
Re certs online... Go to http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... efault.asp
Cost £9.25 each including postage.

[MaryA]

Ameali = Amelia when people aren't very literate, nickname Millie, makes a lot of sense.

[MaryA]

James Aspinwall was baptised in St Peter's 21st May, 1854, parents Richard and Alice, occupation of father Engine fitter, abode Grafton Street, Toxteth.
William Thomas on 8th April, 1860, in St John the Baptist, Toxteth Park, spelling Aspinall, occupation Engine Driver, abode Toxteth Park.
Thomas on 4th May, 1862, in St Peters, spelling Aspinall, occupation of father Labourer, abode Toxteth Park.
John on 14 August, 1864 in St Peters, spelling Aspinall, Occupation Labourer, abode Everton. Birth 12th July, 1864.

No sign of young Richard's baptism.

[MaryA]

They seem to have moved to Bootle in 1871, 22 Pleasant Grove, Stanley
Richard 45 is a Labourer at the Foundry, born Formby
everybody else born Liverpool
Alice 37
James 17 Boilermaker
Richard 12 Scholar
William 9 Scholar
John 5 Scholar
RG10; Piece: 3832; Folio: 86; Page: 74;

[MaryA]

Was just following through to see if by any chance they were still living in the most recent census to see how many years they had been married but I don't think so.

1881 RG11; Piece: 3691; Folio: 33; Page: 60
same address as 1871, Richard 54 is now a general labourer, Alice 50 and only John 19, Works in Coal Yard is home out of the children.

1891 RG12; Piece: 2971; Folio: 86; Page: 4
moved to 37 Brasenose Road, Bootle
Richard 64 is a Machine Driver and Alice 59 Jam Maker.

1901 RG13; Piece: 3469; Folio: 52; Page: 26.
28 Howley Street, Kirkdale
Richard 75 Dock Labourer states he is "M"arried but Alice isn't there, a family called Appleton are boarding with him.

There is a 67 year old Alice Aspinall in the Walton on the Hill District Workhouse, "M"arried and Blind, that I suspect might be her RG13; Piece: 3457; Folio: 102; Page: 27

[MaryA]

Trying both spellings the only marriage I can find for a Richard and Alice seems a little early, but perhaps there was an earlier child who died. Another problem seems to be his occupation, so I have no confidence in this marriage. Nevertheless you would have to confirm it by means of a birth certificate of one of the children, but just in case I will give the details.

13th January, 1851 St Nicholas
Richard Aspinwall Full age Bachelor Shoemaker Cropper Street
Father William Aspinwall, Blacksmith
Alice Turner Minor, Spinster Harford Street
Father James Turner, Joiner
Both signed their names
Witnesses Thomas William Slade and Margaret Aspinwall

I think this marriage might be right because of the birthplace given
1851 HO107; Piece: 2183; Folio: 257; Page: 45
9 Leander Street, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
Richard Aspinwall Head M 24 Shoe Maker Journeyman Lancashire, Formby
Alice Wife 18

[Kate_Aspinwall]

Hi Mary
Thank you for the help - I had found the marriage but was deeply dubious about this because of the big gap before the first child. However, the census which I hadn't found does appear to confirm it is the right one.

Registering for the 2 week trial on Ancestry was excellent advice, for which thanks again

Best wishes
Kate