Hazlehurst conundrum

[Barbara B]

I've been looking back over some of my Hazlehursts and I seem to be getting tied in knots!
I have William Henry, born 1861 who married Ellen Griffith(s) in July-Sept. 1881. By 1891 William H is living with his parents and is recorded as married. In the 1901 and the most recent he is apparently the husband of a Margaret Hazlehurst who states they have been married for 13 years. Needless to say I can't find any marriage for them.
Ellen meanwhile is in the same two censuses with her daughters and is recorded as married. The only Ellen Hazlehurst in the 1891 census is a servant described as single.
To compound the mystery their eldest daughter, Jane seems to have two dates of birth - one of 1881 and the other, through her marriage certificate as 1877. I can't find a birth record in either year.
Not only that, the man she married, John Riley (Holy Trinity 1898) also disappears although he must have come home at least twice as there are two children from the marriage! They are recorded on the last two censuses.
I suspect William H just set up house with Margaret but I'd like to know what happened to John Riley.
Can anyone spot him?
Thanks in advance
Barbara

[simone]

Hi Barbara

From Anc, Liverpool records
William Henry Hazlehurst, labourer married Ellen Griffith July 17 1881 at St Simon, both full age, both resididence St Simons
fathers William Henry Hazlehurst a Watchmaker and Benjamin Griffith a Blacksmith
witnesses James Cummins and Jane Allen

[simone]

baptisms at St Peter to William and Ellen
Madelina b 19/7/1882, bap 14/8/1882
Ellen b 12 Aug 1885, bap 6 Sep 1886
Gilbert b 5/1/1884, bap 21/1/1884

have you tried under Griffith for Jane's birth?

Simone x

[Barbara B]

I've tried under Griffith and Griffiths but come up with nothing.
There were other children of Ellen and William H. Ethel and her twin Daisy - Daisy died aged 7. I had Madelina but not Gilbert. I suspect he may have died as well.

[Bertieone]

Name:

John Riley
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1876
Age at enlistment 18
Birth Parish:Liverpool
Birth County:Lancashire
Document Year:
1894
Regimental Number:
4524
Regiment Name Cheshire Regiment

There's another number 35170, he's still in when children are born and mentioned.

[erika]

Hi Barbara

Have you access to the 1911.

If so check out RG14 piece 22546

Very interesting family group on there

Ellen Hazlehurst age 50
Madline Hazlehurst 28
Ethel Hazlehurst 29
Jane Riley 30
Litean Riley 12
William Hazlehurst 8
William Riley 3

Maybe that was the census you were referring to in your post though

[Barbara B]

Hi Bertie. Where did you get the military info from? I hadn't thought of that.
Erika, yes that's the one I meant. Another little mystery there - who's William Hazlehurst's mother?? Maybe Gilbert didn't die. Going to check up now.

[Bertieone]

Army,

Enlisted 1894 and terminated 2/ 2 /1906, reenlisted 3/ 2/ 1906, discharge approved 1919.

Mother,
Margaret Riley,
1 court, 1 House,
Lessere Place?,
Liverpool.

[Bertieone]

Hi Bertie. Where did you get the military info from? I hadn't thought of that.
Erika, yes that's the one I meant. Another little mystery there - who's William Hazlehurst's mother?? Maybe Gilbert didn't die. Going to check up now.

Its on Anc Barbara.

[Barbara B]

Looked on Ancestry but probably on the wrong bit. I don't know if his mother was Margaret, only got his father's name from marriage cert - it's Phillip.

[Bertieone]

Hi Barbara,

On anc search,

Military,

Just put name, John Riley,

in Keyword, Cheshire Regiment, 4524

enter nothing else, record should be first in list

[erika]

There is a baptism at St Mary Magdalene for a
Marjorie Hazlehurst b. 20 May 1905, bap 5 Nov 1905
daughter of Gilbert and Mary Jane, 35 Gt Newton St.
Gilbert was a Timber Salesman.

Will see if there was a marriage.

[simone]

1881 census
Ellen before her marriage in July?
RG11; Piece: 3620; Folio: 70; Page: 15
Ellen Griffiths 21 servant b Liverpool
William Griffiths 2 son poss burial in 1885 at Walton Park, age 6, but also a possible marriage in 1904 as Hazlehurst.
Jane Griffiths 3 months niece

if Jane is really her niece, has she brought her up as her own?

poss birth?
Mar q 1881
GRIFFITHS
Jane
Liverpool
8b 133

1891 census Atkinson st
RG12; Piece: 2921; Folio: 81; Page: 23
Helen Hazelhurst 32 living on own means b Liverpool
Jane Hazelhurst 10 daur schoolgirl, b Liverpool
Madeline Hazelhurst 7 daur b Liverpool
Athol Hazelhurst 4 daur, b Liverpool


connected maybe?
1881

William Henry Haselhurst
Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 1
Burial Date: 21 Jun 1881
Parish: Walton Park

[simone]

Not sure if 2 William Henry's getting confused... there is one born 1858, and one 1860.

There is a baptism Aug 1879 of William Henry to William and Margaret, William is a Chimney sweep. This child may be the death I found in 1881/

[erika]

Not sure if you are wanting more info on Gilbert, but he is on the 1911, although his wife Mary Jane isn't with him at the address.
He has 2 children
Marjorie 5
James 1
They are living at 28 Fairclough Lane and he is a Bill poster, for a theatre I think.

Marriage was in Mar qtr 1904 Toxteth Park to Mary Jane Livesley

There is also a birth in Sep qtr 1902 for William Henry Hazlehurst ( grandson )
Liverpool 8b 133. Still no idea who the mother was, maybe one of Ellen's unmarried daughters, Madeline or Ethel?

[simone]

I've been looking back over some of my Hazlehursts and I seem to be getting tied in knots!
I have William Henry, born 1861 who married Ellen Griffith(s) in July-Sept. 1881. By 1891 William H is living with his parents and is recorded as married. In the 1901 and the most recent he is apparently the husband of a Margaret Hazlehurst who states they have been married for 13 years. Thanks in advance
Barbara

1891
RG12; Piece: 2929; Folio: 35; Page: 3
130 Park Rd
W H Hay Churst 57 umbrella maker
Mary Churst 55
W H Churst 30 Porter General - does it deffo say married, looks like it could be a 'U' to me? anyone else want to have a look?
G B Churst 25
J B Churst 24
Jas Churst 21
Madeline Churst 17
Herbert Churst 14
Arthur Churst 12

found the other chimney sweep one in 1881 living in Garston, they married in 1877 hazlehurst/Blackburn marriage
RG11; Piece: 3719; Folio: 58
Wm. Hazlehurst 26
Margaret Hazlehurst 24
William Hy Hazlehurst 1

then this William is with an Elizabeth A in 1891
RG12; Piece: 3005; Folio: 15; Page: 23

so his Margaret must have died?...

marraige 1889 William Hazlehurst, widower to Elizabeth A Edgeley...
so that rules them out....

sorry not found John Riley yet.... will have a go at him later

[Barbara B]

Thanks Bertie, Erika and Simone for all the info.
I'll have a look at John Riley today Bertie.
Simone, I'm sure Helen and Ellen are the same person in the 1891. It's too much of a coincidence. Wonder how she's managing to live on her own means? And where's Gilbert?
I can't make my mind up about the William H entry in the 1891 - all the other unmarried are marked 'S' but I agree it's a bit ambiguous.
Thanks Erika for the update on Gilbert - it's nice to know there may be a couple of Hazlehurst descendants out there somewhere.
Another small step forward - or should that be backwards?
Barbara

[Bertieone]

1881?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X314-P2H


RG11, 3576, 40, 3

[Barbara B]

That's the family, Bertie. Philip is recorded as a bootmaker on John and Jane's marriage certificate. He is also recorded as deceased in 1898, the year of the marriage. I have found a John Riley with a mother, Nargaret in the 1891 so I'll have a closer look at that.
Thank you once again
Barbara