Help with Brown family of Wavertree please

[Hilary]

I had a look at the 1881 census and could find no George Brown in Wavertree. I checked for Browns in Wavertree. In 1891 I came across this family

37 Waterloo St Wavertree
James Brown 50 plasterer born Wavertree
Ann Jane wife 46 born Wavertree
George F son 15 born India Scatapore
David son 8
Charles and Richard children born Wavertree

[moonraker]

to you all !
hopeless at this I am.

wow!! all this information.

lots and lots of information. you are 'stars' thank you all.

where and how can I obtain copies of these marriage certificates?

I also think the deaths are the correct ones! Frances came down to Salisbury to my husbands mothers second wedding. Again, where can I obtain a copy of death certificates?

I also think now there were a little untruths with the my husbands grandparents. evidently she was 'upper crust posh'ish' and ran away from her religious family!
(my husbands ex wife told me this as well.)
Big Appreciation from moonraker
can I print any of your responses?
a real beginner me. moonraker xx

[Hilary]

There's a death for an Arthur Brown aged o in West Derby 1912, and a death of an Alice Brown aged 11 in 1914 also in West Derby district.

[Hilary]

Just found the James and Ann Jane of my post above in 1881

Rathbone Road Wavertree
James Brown 40 bn West Derby
Jane A wife 35 bn Weest Derby
Elizabeth daur 15 bn West derby
James 7 son bn Calcutta
Alice 10 Campore
Joseph son 5 bn Lutapore
George F son 4 months born West Derby

I think what happened in 1891 was the enumerator Wrote George instead of Joseph giving the age and place of birth correctly but then ommitted George because he thought he'd done him.

So a George F Brown born end of 1880 would seem to be the correct one

[Hilary]

James Brown married Ann Jane Bellard on 3 July 1865 at St peter Liverpool. His father William Brown. found on www.familysearch.org

[erika]

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... efault.asp

This is the link for certificates.
Hopefully all instructions are printed on there.
Use the details people have posted eg Registration Quarter, Place,Volume ,Page number

[Bertieone]

You need to get the 1914 marriage cert, John is described as half brother to George, Army records, Howard may not be Frances maiden name but her first marriage name, cert should tell, plus fathers names.

[moonraker]

thank you Bert.


have printed off all replies.....
going to look into getting marriage certificate on Monday`.

just telling my husband about the information that you all have found for me, he comes up with a name Peggy, and remembers woman crying all the time.....this peggy may have been married to one of the brothers. he thinks all the sons were killed. he cant remember and his mother passed away about 5 years ago, so no one to ask now. Now another. Uncle Wanz not sure how this is spelt. (took him on the Ferry)!

moonraker

[Katie]

Three children born in India possibly James was in the Army?

[sharon O'Neill]

Found a Frances E Howard in Mersey St Whitby in 1891 age 11
RG12; Piece: 2873; Folio: 44; Page: 3

Found same in Southport in 1901 a housemaid.

RG13; Piece: 3536; Folio: 149; Page: 2.

Cheshire BMD could these be her first children born?.
1905 BROWN John Howard Eastham Cheshire West EAS/45/29
1907 BROWN Alice Eastham Cheshire West EAS/46/64

[sharon O'Neill]

I also think now there were a little untruths with the my husbands grandparents. evidently she was 'upper crust posh'ish' and ran away from her religious family!

In 1891 census I found Frances, her father was a seamans missionary!

[Bertieone]

1881
RG11, P3569, F92, P30

1891,
RG12, P2873, F44, P3

1901,
RG13, P3536, F14, P2
John Howard 1841
Mary Howard 1843,
Frances Howard, Mother 1813
John Howard 1872

1861,?
RG9, P2636, F73, P23
Thomas Howard 1803
Frances Howard 1814.

1851,?
HO107, P2186, F524, P30
Thomas Howard 1801
Frances Howard, 1813
Ann 1837,
John 1841,
Thomas, 1847,
Elizabeth 1850

Link, possible marriage at St Mary, Chester, 1836 and childrens baptism's, Ann, John.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/ ... ame%3Adean~

[Bertieone]

Elizabeth Howard

Birth Date:
17 Oct 1849
Baptism Date:
3 Dec 1849
Parish:
Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name:
Thomas Howard
Mother's name:
Frances Howard


Name:
Thomas Howard
Baptism Date:
8 Oct 1847
Parish:
Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name:
Thomas Howard
Mother's name:
Frances Howard

[moonraker]

more info for me. thanks, am going to apply for the marriage certificate tomorrow. will post any info I receive.

moonraker.

[Tina]

We've seen this before where a woman has listed how long she has been married but not necessarily to the man she is living with at time of 1911 census.
Frances could have been married for 7 yrs to someone else, which would encompass the time of her kiddies births, in Ellesmere Port or have not been married at all??
Geo F is spelt as Boring, clearly is Brown, error sent to Anc

[moonraker]

thanks...have ordered certificates, just waiting for them to be delivered, fingers crossed.
Happy Easter to all.

[moonraker]

Hi, have received certificates of death, confirm that I have the right ones....cant believe it. bril.
also have a marriage one which I will investigate futher. that's me up to date. so thanks everyone.

[dickiesam]

Hi, have received certificates of death, confirm that I have the right ones....cant believe it. bril.
also have a marriage one which I will investigate futher. that's me up to date. so thanks everyone.

Always good to hear good news. Pleased for you. Thanks for the update.