dickiesam wrote:Thanks for the pointer Bert.
The Enumerator's Street Summary gives the following residents in Town View, Everton Terrace...
All private houses....
#1 = Mr Molyneux [4 persons]
#3 = Mr Porter [3 persons]
#s 5, 7 & 9 = Unoccupied
#11 = Mr McWilliams [4 persons]
#13 = Mrs Kelly [10 persons]
#2 = Mr Roberts [5 persons]
#4 = Mr Kelly [6 persons]
#6 = Mr Howard [6 persons]
also at
#6 = Mrs Murphy, lodger [4 persons]
Netherfield Road comes next on his list so it would appear Town View should run between Everton Terrace and Netherfield Road. There are 3 un-named 'streets' shown here running from Everton Terrace to Forge hill and Netherfield Road:
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... laz/L7.htm
Hi Dickiesam, yes that is exactly where I am focussing and as you say, "3 un-named streets", in fact they are effectively alleys and as the 1908 map shows (Link shown in other post) the most northerly one is Tudno View and as I postulated earlier, IF they are one and the same as "1,3 & 5 courts" it follows that Tudno View was either 1 or 5 court ? and the centre one
must therefore,be 3 court ? Look again at the 1908 map and you can see that all 3 have steps internally at both ends. If you look at the brilliant photos (link to StreetsofLiverpool...(above) and carefully study the buildings, in it you can see that there are 10 front doors, (5 a side) and if you now look at the 1908 map ? There was in effect a mezzanine terrace running the length of the block frontage and is obvious on the photo. What is not so obvious is that there was access to that mezzanine from the rear as well so they may be small ladder blocks at the end of Courts 1 & 5? Court 3 which I believe was also Town View had the main steps down to Netherfield Rd Sth level. You have to bear in mind that at this point there was a height difference of more than 3 or 4 metres between Netherfield and Everton Terrace.
Yes it is Mr Roberts I am looking for and his name was not David (or Davia as the transcriber has logged it ?) but had the very distinctive moniker of Horatio Cogill Roberts, it is unmistakenly him and he declares his true name on my Mothers birth certificate, Ann was also NOT a Roberts but was still an Ellison. Her son William was also there (step-son to 'head') and it is really HIM that I seek as I believe him to be one of the glorious 'forgotten' dead of the disastrous Flanders campaign WW1. Virtually nothing survives of his existence other than the census and my long gone Mothers memories,it is almost like a conspiracy of fates to obliterate him from ever having been.
Even the only place known to the authorities at the time of the census does not want to be revealed ? Is it Town View or 2 in 3 court ?
My dream is to stand at his graveside or plaque in time for his centenary(whenever that is ?) and to show him that we SHALL always remember them,forgetting is no option.
I do get despondent at times, will I ever learn the truth in MY lifetime ?
I appreciate your help and am most grateful but I wish I could find a living person from Scottie or local (other than Cilla
) who would remember the area well enough to explain the way the court system was addressed.
Even thought of asking at local nursing homes in the area but most occupants were dispersed all over Merseyside during the high rise revolution that decimated those communities.
Interested in Ellison, Roberts, Riley, Raffells, Newman, Klosser, Butler, Carroll, Hough,Ruffe & McCallister.
Any census or bmd information within these posts is Crown Copyright belonging to National Archives
Does ANYONE alive remember the area of the courts situated between Everton Terrace and Netherfield Rd Sth, I have proof of the existence of the address but not one map nor street directory for the early 1900's has enabled me to pin down exactly where I want to find ? The Gores 1911 gives partial info on 1,3&5 court but not the house I want, unfortunately. The 1911 census has it listed as 2 "Town View" and a 1964 Daily Post & Echo Street Guide I have lists it as same (N-5).
