Mary Weatherall nee Shannon 1884-1966

[dickiesam]

Well the Vizzards should be in Lace Street, probably near the Walshes in 1871 but I've just walked holes in my shoeleather up and down the street without coming across them.

Ditto that walk MaryA, me feet are killing me! I didn't see nary a single Vizzard in Lace Street in 1871.

[Alison C]

1881 census for Catherine from FamilySearch:

Address: 10 Ct 4 Hse Lace St
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341864
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3609 / 24
Page Number: 42

Catherine Welsh, Head, , Widow, F, age 39, born Lpool, Lancashire, England
Bridget Welsh, Daughter, F, age 20, born Lpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Vissanar, lodger, F, age 69 , born Mayo, England
Bridget Gill, lodger, F, age 17, born Lpool, Lancashire, England

I reckon Mary Vissanar could be Mary Vizzard (Catherine's mum).

[Alison C]

No sign of an Edward Shannon in 1881 census married to either Mary or Margaret.

However, there is one on FamilySearch married to Sarah Shannon

11 Gomer Street, Liverpool
RG11, 3633/58, p47

Edward Shannon, Head, Shipwright, 44, born Liverpool
Sarah Shannon, Wife, 34, born Liverpool

There is then a death for Sarah Shannon in Q4 1882, age 35:
W Derby, vol 8b, p479.

[MaryA]

Nice find on the '81 Alison, those bad transcriptions are good enough I think.

Again can't find a burial for Sarah, but as you have an address only one year out maybe it's not as important.

[Lewisff]

Morning Guys,

I finally now have the wedding certificate for Edward Shannon (aged 46) and Catherine Vizzard (aged 30) and can confirm they were married in a registry office on the 21st of October 1889. His father was given as John and hers.as Mary discovered, was Anthony Vizzard.

It would seem that both had been previously married - we know that Catherine was married to the late Patrick Lynch, who died in 1877- and it states that Edward was a widower. However, Catherine lied about her age and was 10 years older than she claimed to be.

Cheers
Frank

[dickiesam]

Hi Frank,
Always good to hear good news.
Re:

However, Catherine lied about her age and was 10 years older than she claimed to be.

Now there's a thing! How unusual...
A prime example to remember when ancestor hunters have a person in their sights but discount them because of their age on a cert or in a census!

[Lewisff]

Hi Alison,

Thanks for this. No wonder I couldn't find Catherine in 1881. The surname had been transcribed as Welsh instead of Walsh. Once again there is an age discrepancy as the daughter, Bridget, would have only 11 and not 20 as given.

Good spot on Edward too. However, I don't think he was born in Liverpool as there doesn't appear to be a Liverpool birth circa 1841. DS had previously suggested a Manchester birth.

Regards to Patrick Lynch, census records indicate a Hull birth, but once again I can't confirm this.There are a couple for Keighley for the same period. His father's name was also Patrick.

Cheers
Frank

[MaryA]

Another step forward Frank, nice one, more delving to be done too.

[Lewisff]

Hi everyone,

Edward Shannon married a Sarah Murphy in October 1877.

Frank

[MaryA]

Sadly no entry on Ancestry to confirm the details.

[dickiesam]

Hi Frank,
Puzzled! Re:

Regards to Patrick Lynch, census records indicate a Hull birth, but once again I can't confirm this.There are a couple for Keighley for the same period. His father's name was also Patrick.

For Lynch read Walsh?

[Lewisff]

Hi Mary,

I found the marriage, which was the September qtr, not October,on Freebmd. It is the only Edward Shannon marriage between the years 1870-1880.

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Shannon Edward Liverpool 8b 240
Murphy Sarah Liverpool 8b 240

Sorry DS, slip of the fingers! (lol)


Cheers
Frank

[dickiesam]

Frank, I may have your Patrick Lynch... oops... Walsh.

1851: HO107 Piece: 2363 Folio: 171 Page: 42
Reg. District: Hull; Sub District: Myton; Parish: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough: Kingston upon Hull.
Address: 13 Mill Street, Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire (East riding)
WELSH, Patrick Head Married 52 1799 Labourer - Blind - Ireland
WELSH, Bridget Wife 40 1811 Ireland
WELSH, Patrick Son 8 1843 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire
WELSH, Michael Son 2 1849 Hull, Yorkshire
WELSH, Catharine Dtr 0 (5 MOS) 1851 Hull, Yorkshire

But I am not too sure about this birth, given the Hull birthplace...
Births Mar 1843: Walsh, Patrick - Keighley 23 273
You would have to specify the parents.

And I haven't found a registration for his sister Catherine in 1850 or 1851, or his brother Michael either. Maybe they were not registered?