I am looking for information on my Auntie May Fitzpatrick.

[fitzp369]

Dear Fellow Members,
I am looking for information on my Auntie, (Daisy) May Roberts Nee Fitzpatrick. she was living in The Dingle when she died, at that time we where in Australia, and I believe she was planing to follow us, some time after 1952, when she Died..

The Lady In Question born;
Daisy May Fitzpatrick b 5 Jun 1917
Twin to My Father,
William Ronald b 5 Jun 1917
43 Morland St
Everton
Liverpool
England.

She went by May Fitzpatrick.
Their Father never saw them.

He died in 24 Nov 1918
WW1 Tanzania.

I can't find a Marriage or a Death Notice for Daisy May Fitzpatrick b 5 Jun 1917

Any one of these Roberts Ladies could be one of my Female cousins,
Patricia 1946
Denise 1947
Elizabeth 1948

These are the Birth details of Roberts Boys - with the Mothers Name of Fitzpatrick.

First Name-D.O.B-Mothers Name-Place-Folio
Roberts. Gerard-1950-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 288
Roberts. Alan, -1951-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 608
Roberts. Paul, J-1953-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 265
Roberts. Edward,A-1956-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 453
Are any of these still around?

I don't kinow if I have any of the above as Cousins.

This is all I know.
Ron Fitzpatrick
Adelaide
South Australia

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. We have put together a few suggestions for searching for living relatives here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =14&t=8154 I hope you have some success.

[dickiesam]

Hi Ron and welcome,
Are you sure Daisy was living in Liverpool when she died and that the year was 1952?
Death: ROBERTS, Daisy M
Registration district: Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Year of registration: 1954; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 36
Volume no: 9A; Page no: 134

After her father had died in WW1 did Daisy's mother Elizabeth(?) remarry?

[dickiesam]

Edited to remove incorrect data.

[Bertieone]

DS,

FITZPATRICK, WILLIAM ARTHUR
Rank:PrivateService No:M/340632Date of Death:24/11/1918Age:36Regiment/Service:Army Service Corps 648th M.T. Coy. Grave ReferenceVII. H. 1.CemeteryDAR ES SALAAM (UPANGA ROAD) CEMETERY
Additional Information:

Son of Alexander and Mary A. Fitzpatrick; husband of Elizabeth Fitzpatrick, of 43, Morland St., Everton

[Bertieone]

William Arthur Fitzpatrick, Elizabeth Jane S Howard
1903 West Derby, 8b 540

[dickiesam]

William Arthur Fitzpatrick, Elizabeth Jane S Howard
1903 West Derby, 8b 540

Thanks Bert. I have removed my 'assumption' as to parents!

[dickiesam]

Re:

Any one of these Roberts Ladies could be one of my Female cousins,
Patricia 1946
Denise 1947
Elizabeth 1948

These are the Birth details of Roberts Boys - with the Mothers Name of Fitzpatrick.

First Name-D.O.B-Mothers Name-Place-Folio
Roberts. Gerard-1950-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 288
Roberts. Alan, -1951-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 608
Roberts. Paul, J-1953-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 265
Roberts. Edward,A-1956-Fitzpatrick-Liverpool N-10d 453
Are any of these still around?

If you haven't found a marriage for Daisy [assumed to be to a Roberts?] how do you know the above children are related to you?

Because of the name of the first-born boy, are you thinking this could be her marriage...
Mary A Fitzpatrick married Gerard Roberts
Registration district: Liverpool North, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1949; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 10D; Page no: 782

[Hilary]

I found a 2012 post on another site by someone looking for the same person. They were suggesting that Daisy May never married Mr Roberts and that she had 2 daughters who were of school age by mid 50s. The post also said she died around start of the 1960s.

I found the post by googling Daisy May Fitzpatrick.

[dickiesam]

Found on http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1391991968
"Dear Listers,
I am looking for the details of a Peter Roberts and Partner Daisy May Fitzpatrick both lived together in the Dingle area in the early 1950's.
I know Daisy May has departed. I am now interested in the rest of the family as Daisy May was my Father's twin Sister, and I know nothing about their family. They may of been in a de Facto relationship.
Anything would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance.

Ron Fitzpatrick
South Australia"

Could one of these be her, the only deaths with anything like a match up to 1975?
Death: ROBERTS, Daisy M
Registration district: Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Year of registration: 1954; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 36
Volume no: 9A; Page no: 134

Death: ROBERTS, Daisy M
Registration district: Barnstaple, Devon
Year of registration: 1964; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 47;
Volume no: 7A; Page no: 270

[dickiesam]

From the information that Hilary found you need to confirm if any of these children were born to Peter and Daisy May Roberts.
Births Mar 1946: Roberts, Patricia [Fitzpatrick] Liverpool S. 10d See S'60
Births Mar 1947: Roberts, Denise [Fitzpatrick] Liverpool N. 10d 613
Births Jun 1948: Roberts, Elizabeth [Fitzpatrick] Liverpool S. 10d 938
Births Jun 1949: Roberts, Marie [Fitzpatrick] Liverpool N. 10d 497

The "See S'60' notation on the birth entry in the GRO Index instead of a Page number means that the 1946 birth was not actually registered until the September quarter of 1960....
Births Sep 1960: ROBERTS, Patricia [FITZPATRICK] Liverpool S. 10d 934
The 1946 entry is a handwritten addition at the end of the names column of the March quarter Index.

Establishing parentage can only be done by purchasing the birth certs from the General Registry Office online at... http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... efault.asp

Each cert will cost £9.25 and you must specify the parents' names in the application. If an entry has the wrong parents the GRO will refund the fee in full.

[fitzp369]

I found a 2012 post on another site by someone looking for the same person. They were suggesting that Daisy May never married Mr Roberts and that she had 2 daughters who were of school age by mid 50s. The post also said she died around start of the 1960s.

I found the post by googling Daisy May Fitzpatrick.

Dear "Education Officer"
That post was Mine, it was roumered that they where In a defacto relationship and some of the Family ostrisied her except my Dad, Mum and Auntie Mavis.

Since then I have found another roumer that Daisy May died the same day a one of her brothers 4 Hours apart on either side of Liverpool, the only one dieing around that era was her oldest Brother Arthur William 2nd Oct 1959.

Regards
Ron Fitzpatrick

[MaryA]

It would be helpful if you cross referenced posts on other forums to this one as it saves duplication of research and any new information would be available.

[Hilary]

Who is Auntie Mavis? Can her family not help?

Presumably you have a last known address for Daisy May so I think you need to follow up that address in both directories and electoral rolls to see when she leaves the address.

[dickiesam]

Hello Ron,
While rumours and family stories can have some basis in fact, more often than not they have been distorted by successive 'tellers', as in Chinese Whispers. A famous one from WW1 is the verbal message alleged to have been sent from the Front to Allied HQ... "Send three and fourpence. We are going to a dance"! Said to have started out as "Send reinforcements. We are going to advance"!

As far as I can see there is only one provable fact in the search so far, Daisy's date of birth. We don't know when or where she died or what name her death was registered under, Roberts or Fitzpatrick, Daisy May or May. And whoever registered her death may not have known her correct year of birth so that could be out by several years.

If it is believed she had children by Peter Roberts you need to find those children. Of the four girls born before 1950 there are only two with forenames to make searches for a marriage a little easier, Denise and Marie. You would also have addresses from the birth certs and an indication of what forename Daisy was using then.

In an earlier post I suggested getting birth certs for four girls born Roberts nee Fitzpatrick. A route you could try is to submit an application for a Roberts birth in 1947 in Liverpool District but tick the NO box where you are asked if the Volume and Page references are known. Do not enter a forename for the child but do enter the parents' names you are reasonably sure of... Peter Roberts and Fitzpatrick. Don't enter any forename for Daisy. The GRO will search one year either side of 1947 which will cover 3 of the possible births. If they find more than one match they will tell you and ask for your instructions.

[dickiesam]

Not quite clutching at straws.... but it might be worthwhile checking out this death:
Death: ROBERTS, Peter
Registration district: Liverpool North, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1955; Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 38
Volume no: 10D; Page no: 224

Because Daisy's possible children were registered with Fitzpatrick as the maiden name it would appear that Peter Roberts was already married, hence no Roberts/Fitzpatrick marriage. The above deceased is about the right age for a 'liaison' with Daisy May. If this is her 'partner' his death would have had serious repercussions for her, having a couple [or more] young children. She may well have married in the following years as a Roberts. The name and relationship of the informant on the death cert could tell you if he is the man.

[Alison C]

Re the rumour that Daisy died within hours of her brother, here's something interesting......

There is a possible death registration for Daisy's brother Henry Leslie Fitzpatrick in Liverpool North in Q3 1964

Deaths Sep 1964
FITZPATRICK Henry L
Age 54
Liverpool N.
Vol 10 D, page 168

This is the same quarter as one of the death registrations for a Daisy M Roberts

Deaths Sep 1964
ROBERTS Daisy M
Barnstaple
Vol 7A, page 270


Alison

[dickiesam]

Deaths Sep 1964
ROBERTS Daisy M
Barnstaple
Vol 7A, page 270
Alison

Well spotted association between those two deaths Alison. She is one of two possibles I had found earlier and her age at death, 47, makes her born in the right year, 1917.