Who was Edward Rowlands

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Liverbird
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Re: Who was Edward Rowlands

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WOW!!! what can I say but thanks to all of you for the search's you have done, I have been away from the computer and you have all been beavering away on my behalf what a great crew you all are.

The 1901 census certainly looks correct with the birth places transposed between Ann and her grandson Frank.

The 1891 census would be right showing a Ralph Lucas as a grandson as Ann's second eldest daughter Mary Ann was married to Henry Lucas, but poor old Edward now says he is born in Birkenhead. If he has stated rightly about Birkenhead on this census then the other info including his two son's and wife Mary that you have found for the 1861 census looks very positive and he was actually a nearly local lad who had ended up in Liverpool but not from Manchester as originally stated. On a more romantic note as Ann already had a daughter named Mary Ann would she have called their daughter Mary Ellen or was this for Edwards first wife, she seems generous enough to do that.
The 1851 census showing Edward with father as John a tailor with birth age tallying looks great as well. All together looks as though you may have cracked a mystery.

I wonder why Edward gave different areas as birth places on census or are they all the mistakes of enumerators with the biggest one of Edward's two son's being born in the West Indies. This whole search started off with Ann and her first husband John Hargreaves who I started to wonder about when I realised she was a widow at a young age on her own in Liverpool with six children the youngest shown as months old being born in Manchester, I believe I have found John's death in Liverpool. And then I found Edward, it was great that Ann and Edward met and seemingly had a long marriage and helped each other over what must have been a lot of sadness for both of them but from their marriage we now have another name of Cunningham to add to the list.
Thanks once more to all, for all your hard work, far more than I expected cheers L.B :D
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Re: Who was Edward Rowlands

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Hi Liverbird

here is the family in 1841 at Birkenhead
HO107 126 6
John Rowland 40 Tailor
Elizabeth Rowland 35
Edward Rowland 9
Mary Rowland 5
Thomas Rowland 3

I think people sometimes got confused about birth places.. if they lived there or knew family had a connection they would just assume they were born there maybe. My g g grandmother was always confused on census between being born in Ruthin or Manchester :? gave me a right headache :roll: turned out she was born in Wrexham, but her mother, a Rowland was born Manchester :roll: she probably went to Manchester as a child and got confused so that she wasn't sure..... or perhaps it's a Rowland family thing, thought they'd cause a bit of mischief for generations to come!

Poor Edward and Ann losing there partners so young :( ... yes good that he found Ann in the end :wink:

Anyway.. you've got something more to get your teeth into now!
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Re: Who was Edward Rowlands

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I wouldn't rule out the marriage to Sarah Clarke though.. worth looking into... it would not have been unusual for couples from Oxton/Birkenhead area to marry at St Nicholas... so maybe he lost 2 wives :(

it looks like Sarah was a servant in the Ledsham household in 1851 at Moreton, so in the Birkenhead area..
HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 188; Page: 30

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Re: Who was Edward Rowlands

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Hi Simone, I get totally what you are saying about where people thought their birth place was, I have had a few especially in the Welsh border towns, even when Welsh by birth the enumerator made them English (was it something to do with making the numbers look right) :D
I have not discounted the marriage to Sarah, it appears odd that Edward and Ann chose St Nicholas's as at the time they were living in what would have been the outskirts of Liverpool, Old Swan area, they married after banns so no hurry. Or perhaps the church meant something to Edward. For the rest of family history they chose to marry in the Old Swan and Wavertree area. For now I am a happy bunny so much to digest, cheers l.b
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