Matilda Massey Church

[jolewis]

Matilda M Church married Norman W Nelson in 1911 , she listed her father Henry as "inspector" on her marriage certificate.
Henry retired from Liverpool Police in 1908 after 25 years.
I have a photograph of him wearing a uniform and a peak cap with a badge containing a flag with a white star on it.
I would post the photo but am having trouble trying to upload it to my computer.
The uniform looks like it could be a dress uniform as Henry is wearing a bow tie and has medals on each side of his chest. He has five inverted stripes on the bottom of his right sleeve and the coat is double breasted.
Has anybody any idea what his job may have been after leaving the police?
He cannot be found on the 1911 census though he didn't die until 1939.

[Bertieone]

Initial thoughts, White Star Line, (shipping)

Photo would help, if you can manage to put it up.

[Bertieone]

The 1911 Gores Directory has Henry at 405 Mill St which is the same address his wife Elizabeth is at, 1911 census RG14 P22233, still a Police Constable. Wondering if any directories following would have his new occupation, more descriptive than Inspector.

[MaryA]

Have you tried these instructions?
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... =16&t=9817

[jolewis]

[jolewis]

Where do I find Gore's 1911 Directory, which site?
Where would I find the relative directories for Liverpool?
All directories I have found on Ancestry are professional and not for ordinary public.

[Bertieone]

Here is the link, Anc,
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1547/ ... ,1591,3184

The 1911 directory was the only hit I could get for Henry, I would think the record office or Library will hold other directories for Liverpool.

[jolewis]

Thanks will try that.

[MaryA]

If you need help at the Record Office and can get along on a Tuesday afternoon, come to our Help Desk, we can show you the microfilm machines etc.

We have a couple of links for websites for Liverpool City Police, http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... 14&t=13582 somebody on those sites may be able to help with the identification of the photograph.

[Bertieone]

Re: Photograph.

In appearance the uniform looks more Maritime, though what branch it's difficult to make a suggestion. If it is a Police dress uniform, I'm sure anyone with that sort of knowledge would have no difficulty in identifying it. The medals, left of chest, I imagine would be his for service in the Police force, the chevrons on the right sleeve could well be related to time served in the Police force, again, anyone with knowledge of the Police force and their uniforms would help with that.

The medals right of chest are more likely to be a relatives, father or son.

Was this his son? William Henry Church, 30300, Royal Engineers.
Killed, 5/3/1915,
Mother, Elizabeth, 160 Upper Warick St, Liverpool.

If he is the son and they are his medals, it helps date the photograph sometime after 1920.

[jolewis]

Not sure about William Henry I thought I found him married but cannot be sure. Warwick St. doesn't seem to be on any records I have, is there no mention of his father Henry? Where did you find this? Have got his younger brother Albert Edward Victor mentioned in dispatches and have found a William Henry KIA but not sure if this is him.
Thanks for your assistance.
Have contacted the Liverpool Police Forum which Mary A gave me link for but nothing yet.
Thought of trying to find out about the White Star Line offices in case it is a night watchman uniform.

[Bertieone]

I thought it was a bit odd there was no mention of his father on the CWGC site, the medal card had the address and mothers name only.

[Bertieone]

There are 2 Liverpool births that fit, W H Church death.

William Henry Church, Toxteth Park, 1895 8b 193.

William Church, Liverpool, 1896, 8b 72.

Both have a mother, Elizabeth. The latter on the 1911 has a father recorded as Widower, therefore his mother Elizabeth would not be mentioned on the medal card. I think the William H Church, 30300, is Henry's son.

Is it possible with Henry missing from the 1911 and no mention of him on the above and the medal card, he was split from the family around that period of time.

[jolewis]

Will have to look further into this. Will see what I have got on WH Church's marriage I may have been barking up the wrong tree.
Will get back on this probably not today having third go at root canal on same problematic tooth, not pleasant!
Thanks for your help.

[Bertieone]

having third go at root canal on same problematic tooth, not pleasant!

Good luck, been there, had that, got the T-shirt, have the bugger out.

Back to the photo, I could well imagine the likes of White Star employing Quayside security and passenger welcomers for when the big liners were in town, would imagine ex policemen would fit the bill nicely. A delve in to the White Star employers records sounds good if the Police site comes up with nothing.
Albert Edward Victor mentioned in dispatches?

[jolewis]

A.E.V. Church was Elizabeth and Henry's youngest son, didn't think there would be two of them. I found that on the Forces war records site. Still having trouble accessing the war records on Ancestry. Any info. on how to get there or are you on a different site?
Thanks for the vote of confidence toyed with the idea of having it out but there is so little tooth at one side thought might have to have gum cut!!! It probably wouldn't have been as bad if one nerve hadn't been inflamed. Still it's nearly finished so hope all goes well as no nerves left in it, just needs shaping of the canal now.

[Bertieone]

Medal Card, (Anc)

Albert E V Church,
Kings Liverpool Reg.

Cpl, 3450.
A/Sgt, 241370.

Do you have his Army number, Re:, Mentioned in despatches. is the above correct?

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1262/ ... turnRecord

[Bertieone]

Hopefully, after your visit to the dentist, this will cheer you up a little.

Crew of the SS Celtic (White Star Line) 20/1/1919.

Henry Church, bn, 14/12/1858, London.
Passport or Document Number, 640796.

160 Upper Warwick St, Liverpool.

[Bertieone]

[Bertieone]

There's a few hits for Henry, seafaring.

A bit more info on this one,

Arriving New York, Celtic, July 17 1920,

Henry Church, Petty Officer, 6'-2" 210lbs.

Birthdate, 14/12/1859.

Looks like the uniform (photo) is, Petty Officer, White Star Line.