Finding Ethel Green

[Emmalouise]

Hiya, I am wondering if anyone can help in any way.

My dads' maternal grandmother was Ethel Green (nee Barton), born 20.09.1901 and died 26.12.1984. Due to family disputes, she left her body for medical research but apparently when the time came for her body to be "used", they discovered her body was unsuitable (due to cancer) and the body was returned to the family. Some family members remember a funeral service of some sort being arranged but as there were only two people in attendance (my nan, her daughter was one of them, long passed away), no-one has any details of where or when. The Bartons and their families were buried somewhere in Garston, Liverpool but as the family were not on speaking terms I assume that she wouldn't have been welcome in the family burial plots and do not think that cremation would have been an option. I have had no luck trying to find her final resting place, would anyone be able to help or point me in a direction? Thanks in advance, Emma x

[MaryA]

I think a trip to the Record Office would be your best bet, first of all checking for an obituary as they often gave details of when and where the funeral was to be held. It was very likely that there would have been some sort of entry at that date.

Religion often dictated which cemetery might have been chosen, but just to browse you might check Smithdown Road, or Allerton, although others who know the area better might have more suggestions. As you have an exact date it wouldn't be too onerous to check the following week in each, there is also an index of cemeteries at the Record Office.

You don't say why Cremation wouldn't have been an option, it was certainly becoming more popular by that date.

[Tina]

Good advice Mary, well done.
There's a tree in Anc which has the birth date 20.9.1900 not 1901 in Garston.
to James R and Ann nee Hayes. Wouldn't count on this being correct.
There is an Ethel 8 in 1911 in Argyle Rd Garston.
Were they C of E? Perhaps buried at St Michaels.
Richard Green m Ethel in 4th qtr 1925 LRO or registrar attended.
Not much help soz

[dickiesam]

A typo perhaps in the DoB for Ethel Barton? Emma has posted 20.09.1901, but....

Births Dec 1902: Barton, Ethel - W. Derby 8b 662

And her death also indicates 1902...
ETHEL GREEN
Birth month: Sept; Birth year: 1902
Death year: 1984; Dec qtr
District: SEFTON SOUTH; Volume: 37; Page: 303

[MaryA]

ETHEL GREEN
Birth month: Sept; Birth year: 1902
Death year: 1984; Dec qtr
District: SEFTON SOUTH; Volume: 37; Page: 303

Sounds as if the death certificate might give more information, where she died and also who registered the death, She could have been in a hospice.

Might be worth contacting Thornton Garden of Rest, both cemetery and crematorium there.
Address: Lydiate Lane, Liverpool L23 1TP
Phone:0151 924 5143

[VicMar1]

Re Thornton Garden of Rest & Crematorium.
I found them to be very helpful when I have called upon them.
IF you have all of the info to hand then they will let you view the burials register without limits.
Although I think there is a cutoff date where it has all been collected by electronic means but I think that was during the 1990's.
If you are able to call in then you will get some assistance from the staff there.

[Emmalouise]

Hi everyone,

Many sincere apologies for replying to my post. After a close family illness leading to bereavement, I feel I am finally ready to 'get back onto the horse' genealogy wise.

Thank you to everyone for your advice. Most of the information that I have discovered about Ethel is rather conflicting from her date of birth, 1911 census information to her death.

She was the daughter of Joseph Halliwell Barton and Frances Rogers (James Robinson Barton and Ann Hayes were her grandparents) and lived in Argyle Road, Garston. Her family were interred at St Michaels in Garston although I haven't yet been able to find a record of her there, I will keep looking and hopefully I can plan a visit to the Liverpool Record Office soon. Thornton crematorium seems a likely bet as it close to where my nan (her daughter) lived and may be the most convenient place. Is information here available online or would I have to phone/write?

Thanks again to everyone.

Emma

[MaryA]

We are very sorry to hear of your sad loss, our condolences.

I don't believe there is any information online for Thornton, however they are very helpful if you telephone them.

If you are able to visit the Liverpool Record Office, and can arrange your visit for a Tuesday afternoon, the Society hosts a Help Desk between 1.30 and 4.00 pm and we'd love to see you there and try to help.

[Tina]

Welcome back Emma. Sympathy to you with your family bereavement.
Joseph H Barton was baptised at St Michael's 2.11.1873 to James and Ann.
From 1911 census I've found son Joseph H Barton 10, in 1938 Directory at 31 Brunswick St Garston dock porter.
Will for Joseph H Barton 19 Argyle Rd died 4.8.1952 to widow Frances 228 pounds 5s. 6d.
My cousin Tommy lives in Garston and is involved with St Michael's.
I will email him to see if he can help.
Cheers

[Tina]

Hiya I didn't give Tommy the info on the grandparents, my mistake. He said only a handful of burials once Allerton Cem was opened in 1909.
Back later

[Tina]

Hello again could James Robinson Barton died aged 52 in 1901 Prescot rego which I think covered the Garston area at this time.
Update: from cuz Tommy
burials at St Michael's Garston
Richard Barton 1870
Martha 1878
Josiah Charles 1882
John 1894
Mary Jane 1942
Alice Ann 1943

Tommy said the two later ones were family related and interned with someone who died a lot earlier as the graveyard had closed by those dates.