Please help me to find Polly Mellon (I am from Denmark)

[Danish]

Dear Blue

Okey, thank you.
I am, as you know, for the certificate - but it seems to be right the Jane Mallon (Mellen, Mellon) is the mother of Margaret - as you have shown. Is it possible to find out when she died, we see her in Census 1881, I guess she is related to one of the RC churces in Liverpool.
And is it possible to find her on Census 1871, if I may ask?

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

I can't find the Jane Mallon who might be Margaret Morrison's mother on the 1871 Census. She might have died in 1889 there was a 65 year old Jane Mallon who died in Liverpool in Oct/Nov/Dec 1889. I can't see any RC burial record for this person on Ancestry so they could be buried in a Liverpool council cemetery.


Blue

[MaryA]

a 65 year old Jane Mallon who died in Liverpool in Oct/Nov/Dec 1889.

I've put it on my list to check for an obituary on Tuesday morning, although as we can't narrow it down more than 3 months, I might not touch lucky first search, if at all.

[Blue70]

There's a tree on Ancestry that has the Naughton/Norton family on it. Elizabeth Mallon daughter of James and Jane Mallon married Michael Naughton/Norton in 1860 at St Augustine RC Liverpool. This tree has Mariner for the occupation of James Mallon so maybe the tree owner has the marriage certificate with the fathers' occupations on it.


Blue

[Danish]

Thank you Blue and Mary for helping me finding the ancesters to 'the Danish Mellons'.
It seems like it is the Jane according to the age shown on the Census 1881 and 1861.

I have arranged with three of my cousins that we on the 22. of November will hold a little Mellon party, inviting interested people from the Mellon family, and the little book I will make - out of all these informations - will be a present for each participant - and I will with great joy write a big thank you to you nice people. I am in the end of the month going to have 3 or 4 meeting with relatives, all to Margaret and James, and some of them have photos, birth certificate on some of Margarets children etc. But nobody new anything about Ireland, and what James did there etc. But they know lots, it seems, about life in Hornbaek, and about Margarets children etc.

I really hope that informations about Jane and James, and of course tracing the Mellon (Mallon) name will be able to find somehow, and af course there is the 'Catherine-question' whether there is one or two, who is the aunt?

If James Mallon was a mariner, would that perhaps have been the way to how James/Jens got to meet his daughter Magaret? Or would the term mariner not be related (in England) with the work James Morrison apperently had?

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

Mariner is a general term for anyone who went to sea other terms used were seaman, sailor etc It is interesting that James Mallon appears to have been a seaman like Jens they had that occupation in common.


Blue

[MaryA]

Just an update to say that I didn't find an obituary, nor an entry in either the RC or C of E parts of Anfield Cemetery, so one to cross off the list.

Will try West Derby next week.

[Danish]

Dear Mary

Thank you for looking into that - and that you will help me taking another look.
I hope the marriage certificate (Margaret and James) will arrive this week.

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Danish]

Dear friends

News. Today I got the marriage certificate of James Morrison (Jens Mogensen) and Margaret Mellon.

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It says the marriage is on the 22. of July 1865 at Register Office in the district of Liverpool.

James Morrison, 26 years, bachelor, Mariner, residence at Canning Place Liverpool, Fathers name James Morrison (deceased), profession Pilot

Margaret Mellen, 17 years, spinster, residence at James Street Liverpool, Fathers name Michael Mellen (deceased), profession Draper

In the presence of Harman Sederquest and Catherine Mellen
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The years, the data fit the other informations I have gained. Very good.

Very exciting I think. So Margarets fathers was Michael Mellen, is it possible to find out more abour him?
I see that James Morrison (Jens) father here is a pilot, and he is deceased? Could that be because his fathers was living in Denmark?
'In the presence of' I see here Catherine (Mallen) who might be the sister of Michael, and I guess the other must have been a mariner-friend to James. Swedish and the spelling is a bit wrong i guess (Normaly Herman Sederqvist)

Hope this may lead to a few other informations about the Mellon-name in Liverpool and Ireland where Micheal Mellen, must have come from - and we know that his wife must have been Jane Mallen, born in Ireland and lived in Liverpool with Margaret and sister according to the Census 1861.

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

Hi Danish,

Margaret's father's name is Michael rather than James on that marriage certificate so that means the 1861 Census family (Jane Mallon etc) are not related to Margaret Mellen. We knew from the Norton/Mallon marriage record that Jane's husband was called James. We can therefore rule out the Mallons of Charters Street and Portland Street who came from Lisburn and Belfast, Northern Ireland they are not related to Margaret. The Catherine mentioned is probably the aunt from the 1871 Census. We have the right marriage and it's right for the 1871 Census but not right for the 1861 Census family. I'll do some more searching.


Blue

[Danish]

Dear Blue

Okey, I see. Thanks for helping me searching further.
I am very excited if something is to find on Margarets and, on her parents etc.

Today the historical archive in Hornbaek where Margeret and James went to live wrote that they have 25 pages of a personal biography by the nephew to James, and there is text about the two of them.

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Karen]

I have the book 'Beyond the Bar - A Light History of the Liverpool Pilot Service' by Barrie Youde, which lists Liverpool pilots. I can see no reference to a J Morrison.

[Blue70]

I have the book 'Beyond the Bar - A Light History of the Liverpool Pilot Service' by Barrie Youde, which lists Liverpool pilots. I can see no reference to a J Morrison.

If James/Jens' father was Danish then he would likely be a pilot in Denmark.


Blue

[Blue70]

I can't find Margaret, Catherine or Michael Mellon on the 1861 England Census or any burial records for the parents. We don't know Margaret's mother's name and there's no possible matches in Liverpool that I can see. Perhaps only Catherine and Margaret Mellon came to Liverpool? Perhaps the parents had already died in Ireland? If we use the spelling Mellon the surname spelt this way most appeared in the counties of Tyrone and Londonderry/Derry in Northern Ireland:-

Mellon households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1847-64.

Antrim 22
Armagh 1
Belfast city 2
Carlow 2
Londonderry/Derry 41
Donegal 3
Down 15
Dublin city 5
Fermanagh 5
Kildare 1
Mayo 1
Monaghan 4
Roscommon 1
Tyrone 65
Wexford 3
Wicklow 2

It's not easy searching for the family using Irish records we may have more luck in the future when a search facility is added for this website:-

http://registers.nli.ie/


Blue

[Danish]

Dear Blue

Thank you so very much for trying, for researching.
You have search so many places - I appreciate that!

I really hoped that something would come up - at least where they came from in Ireland.
And if no birth of any Michael Mellon (Mellen) around 1810-30 in Ireland is to be seen, do you think this is the famous dead end?

A wild guess: The name of Jens father was Mogens Isaaksen, and Mogens could have been 'translated' into Michael, and the two first names of the fathers was swapped? That might be too far out i guess.

Catherine might be either the younger sister to Michael Mellon or perhaps the older sister to Margaret (if she was the aunt to the children...I don't know if such 'wrong' recording was done at that time?).

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

It is difficult to go any further. Irish research is difficult for the first half of the 1800s. Registration of births in Ireland only started in 1864 so we have to look at the record books kept by the priests of churches to see if there's a baptism that matches this family. I don't think the fathers' names on the marriage certificate will be the wrong way around. It does seem likely that James Morrison and his father worked on ships. Margaret's father being a draper and her aunt being a dressmaker also makes sense as they are similar occupations both working with cloth. The aunt, Catherine Mellon, is a mystery. I wonder what happened to her? Perhaps she moved to Denmark too?


Blue

[MaryA]

On a matter of my own research Danish I was wondering if you could please advise me whether the surname LAABS would be Danish, or if not have you ever heard of it belonging to another Scandinavian country?

[Danish]

Dear Mary

Danish (and Scandinavnian) names close to the one you ask about would be: Lars, Las, Lasse, Lauge, Laust. And that is not very close. Sometimes in Danish we use the duble vowel which later is replaced by a special Danish letter (we have three more than in english).
For me it certainly sound Dutch with the duble A. They still uses it, and I see some Germans uses that name. But for me mostly a Dutch name. I suggest it is the lower Saxon area where that name is from.

Best regards
Mellon/Danish

[Danish]

Dear Blue

What would you suggest I do from now on? Are there - for me - any other ways to go?
People to ask, places to go to?

Thank you for participating in my little project, helping so much and making - for me - an unreal story evolving.

Bet regards
Mellon/Danish

[Blue70]

Hi Danish,

For the latest updates and news about Irish research, in particular any news about when a search facility will be provided for the church records on the NLI website, bookmark the website below:-

http://www.irishgenealogynews.com

I'll keep trying to find out what happened to Catherine Mellon. If we could find her in later census records, perhaps married, it might tell us where they came from in Ireland.

I've asked for some help with the Irish research here:-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph ... 20.new#new



Blue