Mark Devlin/Develine

[Gwebb1]

Happy New Year everyone!
This post refers to a family I originally posted about in 2013 when your input was really useful.

Mark was the father of my great great grandmother, Catherine, who married Charles Maddox in Liverpool in 1845. Although I still have not found her birth records, Bert's findings led me to knowing that Mark had married Catherine Davies in 1818, they had 5 children (including my gt gt grandmother) and that Catherine Davies had died in 1832. I also traced her parents, Edward and Mary Percival, and found their marriage and possibly Edwards's birth/bpt in 1764. It is information about Mark Devlin that I am lacking and this is not helped by the fact that the spelling seems so variable.

My records to date: his marriage entry (Mark Dolin, painter, married Catherine Davies at St Peters on 13 Sept 1818)
named on his wife's burial record 25 Aug 1832 (Mark Develin painter)
children's baptism records 1822-1831
daughter's marriage record (Catherine's marriage to Charles Maddox 1845 - described as 'painter')

I ordered a death certificate for a Miles Devlin (1847) but this describes him as a 'labourer' rather than a painter so not sure this is the right one. I've since found a record for a Mark Devillen (1848 Apr-Jun W. Derby 20 803 39) - not ordered it yet.

Can anyone find anything else about Mark e.g. on the 1841 census or in trade directories? Or perhaps a likely birth record - possibly born about 1800-1805?

Thanks and best wishes.
Glen

[Tina]

Hi Glen, I'm sure our forum members have been searching for you but have not found anything for deffo.
Hang in there!!

[Gwebb1]

Thanks, Tina - good to hear from you.

Mark Devlin has proved quite a puzzle! I'm not hopeful of getting a result but just thought I'd throw my request into the mix as I have several first-hand experiences of the miracles our forum members can achieve.
I think I might send for the 1848 death certificate I saw and see if that throws up anything - will send a post with a big cheer if it turns out to be the right one!

Kind regards,
Glen

[Bertieone]

Glen,

Have you checked if he's in with wife Catherine or young Edward? or both.

Buried at Liverpool St Johns

[Gwebb1]

Good to hear from you, Bert.

No - I have not checked this.
Please can you tell me how to go about it and whether I can do it on-line or will need to pay a visit to the Records Office in Liverpool?

Regards,
G

[Bertieone]

Yes I think the records office, Mary will advise better than me.

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liv ... index.html

[Tina]

Good one Bert!!

[Gwebb1]

Mary, if you notice this post, perhaps you could give me some advice re: Bert's comments.

However, although I have a burial record for Catherine (again, thanks Bert - you put me in the right direction for this some years back!), it doesn't give a grave/plot number so I guess that might be an issue.

On a slightly different note, I have a grave number for my grandfather in West Derby Cemetery - no headstone unfortunately but I think his sister may have been buried in the same plot. I'm sure I was on the point of checking this at one time, didn't get round to it and now can't remember how I was going to do it!
Can anyone remind me?

Regards,
G.

[MaryA]

You will have got the entries from the Burial Register, hopefully the Grave Register will be available to tell you who is in the grave, this is not always the case, but if so then it will be held at the Record Office. Same method for both.

[Gwebb1]

Thanks, Mary.

I'll be over in Liverpool in May so will pop in then.

However, I am sure that last time I was over and querying my grandfather's grave, this was when I found the plot number and got a map showing me where the grave was but I have a feeling I was told I would have to contact another office to find who else was in the grave. I did phone somewhere else but can't remember where and I am sure a £12 fee was mentioned. Does this process sound familiar to anyone?

G.

[MaryA]

It does but only if you need to apply to Allerton Cemetery Lodge for the information, it depends on whether the particular entries for the Grave Register can be found so need fairly exact dates, or whether Grave Registers exist.

Give me details of grandfather and his sister if you have her date of death and I'll try to check next week.

[Gwebb1]

That's really kind of you, Mary.

These are the details:

John Morris died 30th April 1931; buried West Derby Cemetery on 5th May in Section A Grave No. 370

His widowed sister, Sarah Ellen Levens, died 29th August 1942 - I don't have a burial date but her granddaughter told me she was buried in section 370. However, I am guessing this might be the grave nuumber.
her granddaughter also said that Sarah Ellen's husband, Robert Levens, who had died on 10th October 1925 was also buried in this plot.

If you could just confirm that I could find out from the Records Office who is in this grave or get me a phone number to ring, that would be great - I don't want to put you to too much trouble.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Glen

[MaryA]

Phone number is a waste of time as it's in the back and nobody seems to work in that area to answer it.

Wait till I've had a look to see what is available then you should know what you will come over to check up on.

[Gwebb1]

Brilliant.
Thanks, Mary.

Have a good weekend.
Glen

[MaryA]

I have been told by one of the users that there should be a Grave Register for West Derby and that it's on the end of another roll of film, possibly even using up some space on a film for a different cemetery, and that he actually noted it on one of the boxes, however, he may have been mistaken as we couldn't find it. So no guarantees that there is a Grave Register for WD and it's not listed in the index. So best I could do is confirm the other two entries that you have are actually in the same grave as the one you already had details for.

Entry 45931 14 October 195 Robert Archibald Levens 53 years 71 Cottenham Road, Edge Hill, West Derby, Private Grave A370

Entry 56600 2 September 1942 Sarah Ellen Levens 71 years, 67 Bourne Street, Liverpool, Subsequent A370

I think the thing to do is to check any other family members that you have deaths for and see if they are listed in the same grave.

[Gwebb1]

Thanks so much, Mary - really appreciate you taking the time and I'll make the follow-ups you suggest.

The fact that my grandfather's grave did not have a headstone and that the entry said his was a 'subsequent' burial made me think it had been a public grave.

Looking at the information you have given me, am I right in now thinking this was a family grave for the Levens family?

G.

[MaryA]

Oh yes it would have been a private grave, "subsequent" will mean that it wasn't the first burial in the plot. But if it hadn't been purchased, the other family members wouldn't have been allowed in there.

[Gwebb1]

Cheers.

G.