Newspaper death notices

[JohnnyO]

Hi all, was it unusual for a widow's details to be omitted from a death notice? I've put a screenshot below as an example. Luckily, due to the date of death I was able to find this in my tree, but strange that Annie Orrett is not mentioned by name in the death notice

[MaryA]

Ettyketty was most definitely different in that century, and indeed even into the 20th Century, I do remember women being referred to as Mrs John Smith, as if they weren't a person in their own right.

[daggers]

Birth notices often said 'To the wife of XVZ, a son/daughter', too.
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[JohnnyO]

Doesn't help with research does it

[JohnnyO]

After looking through some more newspaper cuttings, I have identified one new husband for one of the Orrett girls. I have now come across another cutting from the Liverpool Mail of 8th December 1867, which states '30th November, Thomas Lyon, of Orchard Hay, Walton, to Jane, youngest daughter of Mr John Orrett of West Derby'. I don't have her in my tree . The Jane Orretts in my tree are already married, and the dates don't really tally up.

I have gone through the GRO entries and there is a Jane Orrett born Q3 in 1844 with a mother's name of Walker. I now need to find a John Orrett marrying a Walker around that time!

Update - Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905 Images has a John Orrett, labourer, of Walton marrying a Jane Walker, widow, at St. James' Walton on 28th May 1844. Now need to see if it is one of my Orretts......

[Bertieone]

Name:
John Orrett widower
Age:
Full Age
Marriage Date:
29 May 1844
Parish:
Toxteth, St James
Spouse's Name:
Jane Walker widow, no fathers name given
Father's name:
Ralph Orrett

[JohnnyO]

Name:
John Orrett widower
Age:
Full Age
Marriage Date:
29 May 1844
Parish:
Toxteth, St James
Spouse's Name:
Jane Walker widow, no fathers name given
Father's name:
Ralph Orrett

Many thanks for that Bert, you are a fount of wisdom and knowledge (as are others here!). I do not have a Ralph Orrett in my tree, and all of the other linked Ancestry trees I view do not have a Ralph Orrett either. Some other public member trees that I viewed on Ancestry have a Ralph Orrett, not many with a son John, with a daughter called Jane and none that has a spouse. I'm sure they must be linked somewhere along the family line, as the surname is fairly uncommon, although not in Liverpool!

[Bertieone]

John,

It looks as if, the birth of Jane Orrett 1844, the mother has possibly used her previous married name instead of maiden name.

The 1851 census, Almonds Green
John Orrett
Jane Orrett
Jane Orrett
Ellen Walker, 21
Etc.
HO107 P2192 F937 P23

The above Ellen Walker, Bn 13 Aug 1829, parents, Thomas Walker, occupation, Gardener, Jane Walker.

Snippett in the Liverpool Mercury, Death, 1835,
Ralph Orrett, aged 67, 11 January. West Derby.

[JohnnyO]

Thanks Bert, still no trace. None of the Ralph Orrett trees have any of my family members in them, and none of the Orretts in my tree and others with my relatives in have any of Ralph Orrett's family in them, even though both families lived in West Derby around the same time.

I might start a new Ancestry tree just to trace back the male Orrett line and spouse, as the GRO birth records might help, and see where that gets me. I know there were and are a lot of Orretts or Orritts in Ormskirk, but again, probably related from a good few generations ago.

[MaryA]

I might start a new Ancestry tree just to trace back the male Orrett line and spouse, as the GRO birth records might help, and see where that gets me. I know there were and are a lot of Orretts or Orritts in Ormskirk, but again, probably related from a good few generations ago.

That's what I often do, put them in the tree so they are just there on the back burner, until one day a clue might turn up and you realise just how they are connected, then you have already done the legwork and just need to attach them.

[JohnnyO]

I had forgotten that I had ordered a copy marriage certificate which arrived today, for my grandfather Thomas Orritt marrying Margaret McKeon in March 1901. I was hoping to look at both fathers occupations to cross reference with the census returns, but unfortunately both are deceased. I have evidence of her father being lost in the Bay of Biscay in the mid 1880's, and my great grandfather dying in 1896 in Ancient Meadows off Longmoor Lane in 1896, so at least the certificate helps to prove their demise.

I have however been able to help out a fellow Orrett Ancestry family tree member, who had an incorrect name for Margaret's father, and was on a wild goose chase