Burns

[simone]

I just cannot read it looks like La?(could this be LAST)? Opinions please.

Gray

Hi Gray.. i reckon it is 'Labourer' written Lab with the annotation of r above at the end to abbreviate it... like the ones above it

Simone x

[Gray]

Hi Simone

Thanks for looking..

I did think labourer, if you look at the second bloke from the top he is listed as Gen Lab: This is why I wondered.
Also there are a couple of shoemakers there..

As Henry was in London 1881 I decided to try my luck there..

Possibly back to the drawing board?

Grayx

[simone]

Hi

Hope i haven't missed this somewhere who were thw witnesses at his marriage

Simone x

[PJLong]

1911 gives a birthdate of 1858. Bootmaker dealer. Married 29 years. North Kensington.

[BUrnsHoy]

hello to everyone,

So far we have a possible Baptism, a possible second marriage, a maybe brother, and a perhaps an ending in the workhouse.All with a possible link and all in Liverpool. This is amazing!!

Simone you asked about witnesses for a marriage if you are refering to Henry all witnesses were Gomms.
If we are refering to Patrick/mary no marriage has ever been found.

i am intrigued about the workhouse,would i be able to get a copy done.as the workhouse list everything dates,family,addresses,any illnesses and occ,and if married the spouse.

I was informed by my mother-in-law that Henry would travel all the way to Liverpool to get his teeth done.
Apparantley the dentist was his family in what way i never got to find out.
Also Henry when he bought leather he would go to Ireland and have it shipped to London, a family member said that the leather arrived already tanned.
I have not reasearched the old leather tanneries in Ireland,has anyone else?
It has been said that Henry walked from Liverpool to London but have no idea when he arrived in London.

Dee
ps the last note re Census 1911 is my Henry Burns.

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. I have a couple of points and also questions you could perhaps claify.

The records for the Workhouse and also St Anthony's parish records are held at the Liverpool Record Office. As you have previously made requests to them, they may not be able to do any further research for you for free, if there are no forum members who might be able to help look up these points for you - it usually depends on if they are visiting the LRO and if they have time from their own research, but at present there is the extra factor of the move to other premises and maybe the need to make appointments to be taken into account. If you need to hire a researcher to get copies of these items for you, please contact me and I can recommend a reliable person who will do their best for you at a reasonable price.

Our Education Officer's suggestion of researching different spellings of the name is a good one, your family may have always used the spelling Burns, but a Registrar may not have and so a registration might be incorrect.

On the birth certificate, can you confirm that the mother's name was given as "Mary Ann Burns, maiden name Woods" - or was the name given as Mary Ann Woods, suggesting that she may not have been married.

I think you need to keep an open mind as to whether this couple may have been Irish and married in Ireland.

There is a family bible and Henry's birth date has been changed unfortunately it is not clear as to what was originally put in. The date on the cert held has been put in place.

The date of birth 14th Nov 1856 Everton Liverpool at 8 Tenterden St has parents Patrick and Mary Ann.

Your Henry's marriage certificate gives his father as James and the date in the bible (presumably provided by Henry at some point in his life) was different. It makes me wonder if these are two births for different children. If you feel we can assist in reading the original date and are able to make a scan of the page, there are directions for posting a picture in your message here

could not find a birth that would match father and date line, within reason.

How have you checked this? Have you asked Liverpool Register Office to do a search for Henry with father James, they will probably look a year or two each side of the date you give? If none are found they will probably refund your money.

Do you have the phrase "Cobbler Poet" of Kensington. as a quotation from the books? Are there any dates and places for their publication? Is this Kensington the one in Liverpool or London? Have you checked for this phrase at both the Liverpool Record Office and also the nearest Archives to his home in London?

Barnados whom very kindly send me a list of all establishments.

If you have a comprehensive list provided by Barnardo's it would be very good of you to help us out by posting a copy on our For Posterity Board as I'm sure it will be helpful to many of our members.

[BUrnsHoy]

Hello
Apologies for the delay, in responding to y our latest mail.
Re your queries.

The books that you refer to were published in London. you refer to the "Cobbler POet" this is not a Phrase, this was what he was known as.
The titles of his books i am trying to locate them amongst our removal boxes.
There were only two as i stated before. There are i believe only 4 in existence and i have one of each.
I have already challenged the Varaition of Surnames also checked out for name changes by Deed Poll.
There is a possibilty of Irish or Scottish to which could be either.
I have had Genealogists looking at this but could not move forward.
In reply to finding Henry's birth i visited the GRO and met with a researcher and we trawled the ledgers.
As for listing of Barnado's when i find the data i shall endeavour to post a copy for you all.

In irish Origins i found a record for a Mary Ann Woods under Dromore Church records in 2003 tried to find a marriage but this never got any further.
Also found some literature refering to a Henry Brown born Glasgow Lanarkshire, 1857.
Refering to the 1861 census does not give refs But logs a Rose Burns formerly Lenan, at 148 trongate Glasgow with son Patrick aged 28 yrs
James 18yrs with GRANDSON HENRY BROWN aged 4 yrs.
I tried to find this in scotland site but could not. The Grandfather was also named Henry Burns,
I perosnally feel this is the closest to the family records but have never been able to locate this 1861 census.
I have found some paperwork from years gone by, and i think after re talking this through with yourselves, the only way i can be definate about Henry is to trace his steps and start with Paddington and work back through the directories to find when he arrived in London and from where.
Hopefully i may find a record for a rent agreement.Or someone he was working for.

Dee x

[wade]

Hi, I was reading my copy of Henry Burns poetry and thought I would research it and came across all this information. Very interesting reading. My grandfather was Stanley Burns.

Steve

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

This post dates back to 2010 and unfortunately the original poster didn't become a member of the Society nor remain a member of the forum, so it is unlikely that he will respond.

If there is anything of your own research that we can help you with, please post a query and we'll try our best.