Edward and Ellen Lloyd Cockspur st (Dale St)

[Bertieone]

3 deaths between 1846 and 1851 fall close to the required age for Edward.

The age given at death and accuracy depends on whether the informer knew it exactly, hence the reason it's best to check if it appears just a few years out.


Liverpool deaths, 1846-1851

Edward Lloyd, 1846, age 51, 20-304

.. .. 1847, age 57, 20-332, Cherry Lane.

.. .. 1850, age 49, 20-205

[MaryA]

I meant no disrespect , and I am listening to Ber'ts more knowledgeable advice, unfortunately this frustrates me as i feel the nearer you get , the further you seem away
I think I need to exercise more patience with my search please accept my apology if I have caused any offence Colin

No need at all for apologies. Over the years we have just been used to looking all around a subject and keep all avenues in mind. Then, but often not in a way we expect, a piece of evidence will show up that clicks into place and makes sense of the rest.

[Bertieone]

Colin,

I've been scratching an itch, can you tell us what led you back to Edward Lloyd (pipe maker)

John Lloyd married Elizabeth Harrison 16 March, 1858, John was a Gardener and so was his father, Edward Lloyd.

The couples first child was Elizabeth, 1860, Liverpool, baptism, John Lloyd, Gardener.

Being careful not to cross over families, it appears the first census Elizabeth is on, 1861, ( Not definite yet)

John Lloyd, 27, Head, Bn, Ellesmere, Shropshire,
Elizabeth Lloyd, 27, wife, Bn, Birkenhead
Elizabeth Lloyd, 1, daughter, Bn, Liverpool.


Can any kind soul get sight of a baptism at St Mary's Birkenhead,

Janet Emily Lloyd, 1865
Parents, John and Elizabeth Lloyd

[Bertieone]

Possibly the above, Janet Emily,

1881 census,

Elizabeth Lloyd 44, Birkenhead
Janet Emily Lloyd 17 Liverpool
Harrison Lloyd 8 Liverpool

RG11P3620 F87 P16

[MaryA]

Kind soul here.

[Bertieone]

Thank you, Kind Soul.

[Bertieone]

Still some bits to sort, this census connects the families,

1871,

Elizabeth Lloyd 34, Birkenhead
Margaret Lloyd 8 Liverpool
Janet Lloyd 6 Liverpool
Thuirne Lloyd 3 (Transcription error) Minnie, Liverpool

Minnie married from Chestnut St, father, John Lloyd, Gardener.

Harrison married from Chestnut St, father, John Loyd, Gardener.

Janet Emily married, same as above.

Looks like John Lloyd was born in Ellsmere, Shropshire and not Liverpool, which may rule out Edward Lloyd, pipe maker.

[Bertieone]

The 1881 census address for, Elizabeth Lloyd, Janet Emily & Harrison was 40 Warren St.

Elizabeth Lloyd, Bn 1860, father, John Lloyd, married Charles Metcalf, 1881.
Elizabeth's address, 40 Warren St.

[colin lloyd]

Hello all, OK this all started with my paternal grandmother Janet White nee Lloyd who was defiantly the daughter of Harrison Loyd and Edith Lloyd nee Barnes. Harrison( Mother was Elizabeth Lloyd nee Harrison hence my Great granddad being called Harrison. Elizabeth Harrison was from ( I think Leasowe) on her marriage cert her fathers(Thomas Barnes) occupation is Slater .Harrison's father is shown as John Lloyd occupation Gardener marriage details are..18th Nov 1894 in Liverpool
John Lloyd shows his marriage to Elizabeth 16th March 1858 church line is blank as is the whole top line their address is given as Clifton st i assume this is somewhere on the Wirral(brides church) Elizabeth's dad is shown as Henry Harrison( occupation Waterman) and John's dad shown as Edward Occ. Gardener
I get the connection to Edward through the 1841 census tying in dates(date of birth) John Lloyd now living in Cockspur St with his :mother Ellen siblings..Edward Thomas,Martha,Lucy Henry William .....Do yo think my Cockspur st has led me off the track? Colin

[colin lloyd]

I missed out, Man of the house is Our mystery man Edward now shown as a Pipe maker

[Bertieone]

St Johns Church, Liverpool.

[Bertieone]

Clifton Street was/is in Liverpool, even if they never lived in Liverpool at the time, they could have used the address for the Banns and to marry in the parish.

Edward Lloyd, pipe maker, no longer looks favourable.

[colin lloyd]

Bert ,you are bang on the money.i think I am heading over the water ,My Gt Grandfather Harrison could have grown up in Bikenhead Tranmere? I know he had a sister Alice and as a kind soul has furbished me with another Baptismal cert for Janet Emily .My Gt Grandfather Harrison appears next Southport in a census form then aged 19 living and working at the Prince of Wales as a jr porter. This ties in as he worked as a porter when he turns up in Liverpool. before starting a carters/ coal merchants (horse and cart) This to the best of my Knowledge fact.The head scratcher for me now if Cockspur st Edward is not his father how do I find the real Edward? Is he as you suggest from Ellsmere Colin
ps Your Help has been invaluable thank you

[Bertieone]

So we are back to pre registration again, put in the details and this comes up, we'll see where it takes us.


John Lloyd
Baptism Date:
13 Mar 1834
Baptism Place:
Ellesmere, Shropshire, England
Father:
Edward Lloyd
Mother:
Margaret Lloyd

[Bertieone]

1841 census,
Shropshire, England

HO107 P918, Book 3

Edward Lloyd 35 Ag Lab
Margaret Lloyd 45
Hannah Lloyd 25
Edward Lloyd 15
Mary Lloyd 12
Sarah Lloyd 10
John Lloyd 7
Elizabeth Lloyd 5
Emily Lloyd 2

Some familiar names amongst the children and Edward wouldn't be the first agricultural labourer to turn to gardening?

[colin lloyd]

Bert , It seems to fit into place now, You must be a dab hand at this Family history.How far have you got with your family?and have you been doing it long?I first got interested though my Dads curious beginnings,As I am 1st generation Liverpool/Irish( My Mum was from rural Co Rosscommon ) and Dad from Liverpools Toxteth.It has turned up some Heart breaking stories.So my watch word now is "If you don't want to find out don't look"
Again I would like to thank you for your time and efforts. Though this forum I have learned more in a week than my stumbling around in the dark for 2 years
regards Colin Loyd

[Bertieone]

Colin,

The truth is, we never stop learning, there's always a trick or two we pick up from each other. I've been at this malarkey for many years and a few years ago, more or less, stopped doing my own tree. I reached where I wanted to be and that was that. Some people have a position they want to get to and some want to get back to Adam & Eve, both are fine, there's no set rules. Only rule is be certain yourself in what you find or helped with, check everything, no matter where it's from.

Just to add, the best place to learn is by being part of a forum, this one I must say has very helpful and experienced researches who will go out of their way to help.

[MaryA]

I have to say that Bert is one of our most experienced and helpful members, he gets the bit between his teeth and doesn't want to let it go until he has the right result. Many of our posters and myself included are extremely grateful to him for his helpful research. Thanks Bert!

[colin lloyd]

Bert, to Cross reference some of the facts You have supplied, you mentioned some of the family giving Chestnut Street as there last address.My Gt Grandfather gave this address for his marriage cert when he married his wife Edith of Clare st ,This all bares out as Off Myrtle st in old Liverpool 8 all the streets were tree related Our old address ..Heath street Grove st,Vine st, Mulberry,Wall-nut,Acorn st, nearly All gone now.It was good to breath life into them ,if only in memory.
Colin

[colin lloyd]

Mary A , IF I can be of any help with my Knowledge of My Liverpool as Bert and your excellent FHS have been to me I would be proud to be of assistance.Thanks again
Colin