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BarbaraW
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by BarbaraW » 29 Apr 2020 14:42
This is the brother of Mary Grimes from my previous post and one of the 3 children placed in the Workhouse in 1861 after the death of their parents.
I found a marriage for James to Ann Wainwright in 1896, he a widower, age more or less right, his father Charles (deceased) labourer. Great!!
In the 1901 census he has 3 children from his previous marriage living with the couple. James, William O., and Abigail. This leads to previous censuses using these children's names and shows him with his wife Abigail. This brought up a hint of a marriage between James Grimes and Abigail Burgess in 1873 both aged 20. These 2 marriages are showing on about 10 Ancestry online trees with my greats as his parents.
However there's just one discrepancy. The father of this James is showing as:
James Grimes, occupation: Brewer.
So is my second marriage a red herring as Charles (deceased) would be a pretty common name and is nothing to do with my family?
TIA
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Bertieone
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by Bertieone » 29 Apr 2020 15:31
The children do tally and Sarah Grimes, 1898, mmn, Wainwright fits.
Mistake recording the fathers name seems favourable.
Also, son, William Orange Grimes, can't be too many of them.
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BarbaraW
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by BarbaraW » 29 Apr 2020 15:32
Bertieone wrote: ↑ 29 Apr 2020 15:11
Don't look the same hand?
I did look at the handwriting Bertie but put it down to the intervening years. It's a blooming mystery.
Maybe I should scrap the whole family and look for him either dying or emigrating.
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by Bertieone » 29 Apr 2020 15:35
Bertieone wrote: ↑ 29 Apr 2020 15:31
The children do tally and Sarah Grimes, 1898, mmn, Wainwright fits.
Mistake recording the fathers name seems favourable.
Also, son, William Orange Grimes, can't be too many of them.
Posted same time
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BarbaraW
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by BarbaraW » 29 Apr 2020 15:51
Bertieone wrote: ↑ 29 Apr 2020 15:35
Bertieone wrote: ↑ 29 Apr 2020 15:31
The children do tally and Sarah Grimes, 1898, mmn, Wainwright fits.
Mistake recording the fathers name seems favourable.
Also, son, William Orange Grimes, can't be too many of them.
Posted same time
Yes very Orange Lodge, King Billy and all that
Povall Cheshire/Liverpool, Williams/Owens Caernarvon, Brown Liverpool/Cumberland/Ireland, Pritchard Liverpool, Atherton Liverpool, Banks Liverpool, Kelly IOM, Grimes/Botworth/Smith Wirral, Rice Manchester/Ireland, Lockley Manchester, Bowler Manchester.
Bertieone
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by Bertieone » 29 Apr 2020 16:38
The two marriages are definitely connected and my view is the Father James has been recorded incorrectly or for reasons we'll never know.
My best bet, an error made.
Not conclusive by any means, the children's names, first marriage, follow that pattern of, parents, grandparents and siblings.
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BarbaraW
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by BarbaraW » 30 Apr 2020 10:38
Bertieone wrote: ↑ 29 Apr 2020 16:38
The two marriages are definitely connected and my view is the Father James has been recorded incorrectly or for reasons we'll never know.
My best bet, an error made.
Not conclusive by any means, the children's names, first marriage, follow that pattern of, parents, grandparents and siblings.
Thanks Bertie, this family are turning out to be a bit of a pain!! I may be back with more family members lol.
Povall Cheshire/Liverpool, Williams/Owens Caernarvon, Brown Liverpool/Cumberland/Ireland, Pritchard Liverpool, Atherton Liverpool, Banks Liverpool, Kelly IOM, Grimes/Botworth/Smith Wirral, Rice Manchester/Ireland, Lockley Manchester, Bowler Manchester.