Margaret Sinnott - Toxteth ?

[Tilly]

The only Margaret Sinnott born around the time of the Margaret on the 1901 census (Michael P and Margaret parents) is registered March 1893 West Derby volume 8b page 371

There only appears to be one Margaret Westhead registered in West Derby in 1857 I've found her on a census with a father called Peter Westhead - am I clutching at straws here?

[serveta paul]

It's my brick wall, so feel free to clutch.
I think that my only hope lies with the 1911 census.
She may be at home with her family at that address.
Otherwise, how do you know if you have the right Margaret ?
I hope to run it all past my father who has some distant memories of what his father had said.

[Tina]

Hi Paul
Nice to hear from you.
I think it's Langham St in Kirkdale not Laugham St.
Not that this info is of much help to you!!
That's a pity about Dwerryhouse St.
Perhaps when all the fireworks go off around the globe tonight, they may help us knock down those walls in 2008.
We know Peter Sinnott's birth was rego'd in 1916 Tox Pk jan/mar qtr and that's about all!
I'll go back to 1911 again for Tockie and see what comes up.
Happy New Year
Felice Anno Nuovo
Tina

[serveta paul]

All three addresses are only a few streets apart.
I took a look on Google maps.
I have started a tree for this family as it has my interest now
I will then be able to show my father in plain terms what I am talking about.

[serveta paul]

Now its mostly educated guesses at the moment so bear with me

I have just tracked the family and it seems that Francis b.1881 may have married Margaret Cunningham 1905 Liverpool 8b 208 Jun 1/4. ( there was a choice of 2 but below explains why I chose Cunningham ).

I say this as I found a birth of Francis Sinnott b.1913 mothers name Cunningham - Liverpool 8b 7 jun 1/4.

Also I found Margaret E Sinnott b.1915 mothers name Cunningham - Liverpool 8b 75 Mar 1/4

Then when scrolling down to see if there were any more, I found this

Peter Sinnott - mothers name Sinnott - Toxteth P. 8b 228 Mar 1/4

My Grandfather !

It is possible as Margaret E was born just over 9 months before him in Jan Feb or Mar 1915 and he was born Jan 1916

Now I need to know that if he was in the trenches ( remember that Francis died July 1916 in WW1 ) would she HAVE to omit his name from the birth entry ?

Also, how do I find out which pre 1912 enties are their children ?

[serveta paul]

Have now found this entry - So perhaps the wrong marriage after all


1917
Sinnott Elizabeth A - Cunningham - Liverpool 8b 18

and another
1919
Sinnott Edward - Cunningham - Liverpool 8b 56

Back to the drawing board then

[Tilly]

Peter Sinnott with the mother called Sinnott would not have been the brother of the Margaret Sinnott with the mother called Cunningham

Peter's mother was unmarried Margaret's mother was called Cunningham and she married a Sinnott.

[serveta paul]

I understand that in this case but I was told and I would like to know if its true that .........

If the father was away at war, would she be allowed to add his name to the certificate ?

[colette]

Hi Paul

You can only add a fathers name if you are married to the man.. if you were an unmarried woman you would leave the fathers name space blank..

What you need to do now is check the electoral roll for 22 Dwerryhouse St in 1915-1917..it will give you the males in the house over 21.. dont think woman got to vote till 1918.

If you can't get there yourself i am sure someone on the forum can help you out...

At least it will give you a name of who Margaret was living with when she had Peter your Grandad.. as it seems you dont really have much to go on regarding family help...hopfuly it will be another Sinnott and you will then have a lead..

xx

[dickiesam]

Hi,
Just trawled the marriage indexes, 1933 to 1943, and could only find one Peter Sinnott marriage. There was also one Peter Sinnett marriage in Dover.

The Liverpool marriage was to a Rose E Charlton:
Liverpool South - 8b - 521 - June qtr 1935.

The Dover marriage was to a Mary E Day:
Dover - 2a - 3792 - Jun qtr 1938.

Wonder if he married in Ireland?

Cheers,
Dickiesam

[serveta paul]

That's very kind of you to look.
Not totally sure they ever did marry
Where did you search for this - if you don't mind me asking.

Paul

[dickiesam]

Hi Paul,

That's very kind of you to look.
Not totally sure they ever did marry
Where did you search for this - if you don't mind me asking.

Paul

Searched the indexes on Findmypast.
Dickiesam

[colette]

Hi

sorry i put no 22 Dwerryhouse St when it should have been no 25..

xx

[MaryA]

The last family in Wolfe St---
Peter Sinnott m Margaret Jackson 1892 West Derby Register Office or Registrar Attended.

Dorothy found a marriage which would fit very well for the time frame - the Liverpool History Projects site has this marriage listed at Sacred Heart Reference 249.

You could either look it up or order the certificate on the site at a cost of only £3.

[colette]

Hi Paul

can you confirm..

Do you have the marriage cert for your Grandfather ???? or did he marry in Ireland.
How many children did he have names and years ?? what was his occupation and what area of Liverpool did he live when he came back from Ireland...

also were there any mention of brothers or sisters for him cousins even..what year did Margaret his mother die ..if you dont know would anyone in the family know..

xx

[Tina]

Hi All
Paul has 2 posts on the go...I'm getting meself confused, not easy
Paul, could you please condense all the info for oldies like me...
Thank you

Tina

[MaryA]

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8056

It's even easier to get me confused. There's no way to merge the topics but hope a link between each will help.

Just adding below the 1901 census information to save bobbing back and forth.
1901 RG13; Piece: 3427; Folio: 103; Page: 26. - all born Liverpool
55 Wolfe Street, Toxteth Park
Peter Sinnett Head M 38 Dock Labourer
Margaret Wife M 42
Margaret daur 6
Catherine daur 4
John son 1

[MaryA]

Liverpool History Projects Baptisms also has a baptism for a John Sinnott 1900, unfortunately it doesn't give the church.

There are also a number of Catherine Sinnotts around the right age. Luckily only the one born and baptised in 1897 comes up as a match with parents Peter and Margaret - but not with the mother's maiden name as either Jackson or Sinnott, so that may be something new to find out, especially since I couldn't confirm the baptism of either Margaret or John with those parents names.

[serveta paul]

Thanks to everyone who is helping me -
I posted this thread a long time ago so when I gained recent information I started a new thread as I was a bit confused myself.
I put a link to this one which was revived by someone replying.
So really is an accident that both threads are now current - sorry about that.

At the moment I am trying to sort out who is who and also need to speak to my father. He lives miles away and we don't comunicate much .
I will try and add what I know to be fact asap. Then we can all move onward

Please bear with me, I am a tad busy at the moment.

Paul

[Daniplum]

I am from the us, but I am researching a very old copy of Black Beauty which is signed on the first page "Margaret Sinnott December 1, 1907. Sophomore." I don't know where the book is from, there is not a copyright. I wonder if it could be your great grandmother.