Cold Case - Next thing to get your teeth into?

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Nov 2009 17:21

I'm having deja vu reading all your messages, I do exactly the same thing

Colette, all births and deaths 1876-1877 happened in Deysbrook Lane, West Derby, no house number given.

Address where she died, on her death certificate was 10 Poplar Road, Upton, informant William R Lunt Son in attendance of 125 Boaler Street, Liverpool.

Her husband is buried in St Mary, Walton on the HIll, 16 July, 1877, address West Derby. Page in Burial Register 127.
I have an extracted list of all Lunt names at Walton Church from 1593 up to 1922 and she's not on it, another reason for assuming she is buried on the Wirral.

There is a possible burial for Mary (Page 164, death after 1877 and before 1883) but I don't have details - yet, need to confirm the age and exact date.

Post by **simone** » 21 Nov 2009 20:09

Hi

Do you think this could be James son of James and Hannah

1861
RG9; Piece: 2647; Folio: 73; Page: 42
at Oxton
Enos King 59
Elizabeth King 63
Sarah King 34
Maria King 19
James Kant 15 Errand boy, b Birkenhead

did she go to Oxton because of this James

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 21 Nov 2009 20:18

However now find in 1871
at Pentre Farm? Golftyn Holywell
RG10; Piece: 5644; Folio: 16; Page: 23

Edward Catherall 38
Hannah Catherall 38
Thomas John Catherall 7
Sarah Ann Catherall 5
Edward Catherall 3
Alfred James Catherall 1
James Kent 24 b Birkenhead Labourer
Richard Jones 16

1881
RG11; Piece: 5519; Folio: 85; Page: 29
at Mount St, Wrexham
Ann Lynch 41
Maria Lynch 18
Ann J. Lynch 16
Peter Lynch 14
Mary E. Lynch 6
William Lynch 4
Thomas Hickey 44
George Williams 61
James Kent 40 l odger, b Birkenhead, labourer
Phillip Riddington 16
Thomas Borown 28

could actually be the son of Joseph and Martha

too many names the same

Simone x

Post by **42aitch** » 21 Nov 2009 22:29

MaryA Found the following burial whilst browsing through the internet for Cheshire. Don't know if it will fit in with your Cold Case!!!

Don't know about Cold Case it has certainly Hotted up the Searchers. Also caused a good giggle with most of us too.

St James Churchyard, Sutton, Cheshire
A26. Lydia Ann, d/o James & Sarah KENT,13 April 1876, 14 months Sarah, above, 15 Jan 1914, 78 James, above, 8 August 1916, 72

Eileen

Post by **MaryA** » 22 Nov 2009 09:54

Thanks Eileen, I've got quite a large file of Kents now and this another to add to it.

I knew if the forum didn't find her birth then nobody would. Can't believe she wasn't christened so like the others I think it was done under another name - just trying to figure out what!

Or else as Simone's suggestion that she was a foundling - poor thing

Post by **Hilary** » 22 Nov 2009 11:35

Hi Mary
Maybe she was christened elsewhere? Her mother was probably working perhaps had the child there and had her chritsened there if you see what I mean and maybe that's why the child isn't with her in 1 51 it was boarded elsewhere. Maybe Birkenhead area or somehwere were the fact of the child would be more anonymous.

People didn't always have children were the person said they were born and had them christened elsewhere. My other grandmother (not Elizabeth Jones) was born in Llanfforda Oswestry but wasn't christened in any of the churches in the area and I'm still looking for a possible christening in Liverpool were they returned to 5 years later. I also have a great grandfather that consistently said he was born Ainsdale North Meols. Well he wasn't and Ainsdale isn't in North Meols. He was born in Birkdale which was in the parish of North Meols!!!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **MaryA** » 22 Nov 2009 20:00

Thanks for cheering me up about it, I'd always banked on her being christened in Neston because of any Parish Relief that might have been needed, I know it was usual to have them dunked to be on the safe side, and often pressured to do so by the church because of it.

It's annoying that there's no birth registration either, at least not in the name we know her by, and I have been in touch with Birkenhead Town Hall where the records are kept to ensure that she wasn't just missed off the GRO index, but also in the local ones

Post by **Hilary** » 22 Nov 2009 20:34

Hi Mary

Remember it was the Registrar's responsibility to register the birth not the mother at this time so could easily have got away with it if she gave birth somewhere ere she wasn't known. I'd widen the search for a baptism because I reckon she'd still have had the baby done.

Hilary
ED Officer

Post by **MaryA** » 22 Nov 2009 20:53

Point taken!

No baptism appearing in Cheshire anyway, unless she actually was the Hannah in Claughton

Post by **Hilary** » 22 Nov 2009 21:29

Not all the Wirral churches are on the Cheshire Parish Register Project but you've probably checked them all via Cheshore RO. Hannah seems to be accounted for. How about Liverpool and anyhow were is she in 1851!!!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **MaryA** » 22 Nov 2009 22:20

Education Officer wrote:How about Liverpool and anyhow were is she in 1851!!!

Not Liverpool - or anywhere else for that matter in the indexes anyway.

Nor on any site I've searched for Christenings.

I think it's a bit of a vicious circle - if we had the christening we'd have her name so could find her in 1851 .... if we could figure out who she is with in 1851 and so under what name, then we might find the christening

Post by **MaryA** » 24 Nov 2009 08:12

MaryA wrote: I'm wondering about the birth of Margaret Hosker in Q1 1845 Liverpool ........ could be worth a punt if I specify the mother's name has to be Jane, what do you think?

Ah well, I forgot to specify the mother's name so received the certificate this morning - parents are Richard Hosker (brewer) and Ellen formerly Jogg? Fogg? address 174 London Road.

At least now we know it's not our girl.

Post by **MaryA** » 24 Nov 2009 08:13

PS Yes I have William Hosker and Jane's marriage on the list

Post by **simone** » 24 Nov 2009 09:18

sorry Mary I said William Hosker to Jane Evans didn't I

meant Jane Kent

Shame about Margaret Hosker

but we suspected that didn't we

Simone x

Post by **MaryA** » 24 Nov 2009 09:31

Now you have me confused, I think it is Jane Evans! Anyway I'll double check before I go.

You're right you know!! I'd written Evans on my list by mistake, glad you picked up on it.

Post by **simone** » 24 Nov 2009 10:39

Hi Mary

Yes because Thomas Kent m Jane Evans 1833, Neston, then
Jane Kent m William Hosker, liverpool

fingers crossed we get a clue

Post by **MaryA** » 24 Nov 2009 14:41

Can't wait to get to the Record Office! Want to join me?

Post by **simone** » 24 Nov 2009 15:09

Ooh, how I'd love to Mary

Unfortunately I'm booked out by daughter already

Simone x

Post by **MaryA** » 24 Nov 2009 15:11

Shame, you must be close enough to give a lift to!

Have a good day with daughter

Post by **simone** » 24 Nov 2009 18:50

Well I think I've just looked at every Margaret, Margaret Ann, Margaret Anne, Margt, Marg in either Liverpool or Cheshire in 1851, b 1841-1847 and I can't see her. She's prob got another Christian name too