Begging for some kind soul in the know to tell me what was at 22 TEMPLEOGUE, Tallaght, Dublin in the early 1900's. I've got a wee man there with his Mummy (on the 19shush Dublin census) Looking at the list I reckon it's some sort of home for unmarried mothers. I've googled till I'm blue in the face and can't find a name.....institution. Any help appreciated.
Cheers, Pauline.
Dublin early 1900's.
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Unless our blue eyed Irish DS has any ideas, might I suggest that you post your enquiry on the Dublin Board of Rootschatwhere I know local people pop in and try to help with questions.
The Irish 1901 and 1911 censuses were released free to view on the National Archives of Ireland site, and so far as I am aware there are not the same restrictions as there are for the English 1911, released by FMP.
The Irish 1901 and 1911 censuses were released free to view on the National Archives of Ireland site, and so far as I am aware there are not the same restrictions as there are for the English 1911, released by FMP.
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22 Templeogue
Hi,
I can confirm that the Irish 1901 and 1911 are completely free to search and distribute to anyone anywhere, even the Martians. No third party look-up taboos etc! Arrr-sure, aren't we generous?
The only minor problem is that there isn't a street search facility yet so I can't look-up 22 Templeogue.
I know the place well. It's a once-small-hamlet that's now been swallowed/swamped by suburbia. Lived 5 minutes away in the 70s and used to buy my petrol there. Had a great Chinese restaurant and a family pub, the Templeogue Inn.
I need to know the name and age of your wee man with his Mummy to have a look and put #22 in context.
There weren't any 'convent' type places that I recall in that area. There is one building that might have been a 'home' of sorts, Cheeverstown. It is now a centre for people with disabilities, mainly 'socially challenged' not physically. But it was a private house as far as I know from about 1760 up to 1922.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeogue
And more history here http://www.southdublinhistory.ie/Temple ... istory.htm
DS
I can confirm that the Irish 1901 and 1911 are completely free to search and distribute to anyone anywhere, even the Martians. No third party look-up taboos etc! Arrr-sure, aren't we generous?
The only minor problem is that there isn't a street search facility yet so I can't look-up 22 Templeogue.
I know the place well. It's a once-small-hamlet that's now been swallowed/swamped by suburbia. Lived 5 minutes away in the 70s and used to buy my petrol there. Had a great Chinese restaurant and a family pub, the Templeogue Inn.
I need to know the name and age of your wee man with his Mummy to have a look and put #22 in context.
There weren't any 'convent' type places that I recall in that area. There is one building that might have been a 'home' of sorts, Cheeverstown. It is now a centre for people with disabilities, mainly 'socially challenged' not physically. But it was a private house as far as I know from about 1760 up to 1922.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeogue
And more history here http://www.southdublinhistory.ie/Temple ... istory.htm
DS
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Cheers Prof'.......as always, you widen our knowledge base! Wee man in question is Oswald Breakey. Mammy is Mary Breakey aged 22. When I offered to hunt for a friend's ancestors I honestly had no idea I'd locate Oswald before he landed on these shores. We knew he was illegitimate but my friend thought he was a "Brown" who took on the name of his step Dad, Breakey and was born in Scotland. Story had it she was banished for getting in the family way to a chap of the "wrong" religion! Took me some puzzling to sort out the actual facts! If I can piece together Mary's family - at least we'll have some idea of Oswald's ancestry!
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22 Templeogue
Hi again,
My take on the census return is that it was definitely a 'home' for young pregnant unmarried girls to go and have their baby, probably banished from their family homes, temporarily or permanently. Almost every girl there has a very young child with her and those that don't are probably 'expecting'.
Worth noting it was non-RC. All the girls were Church of Ireland, Methodist or Presbyterian. I hope it was a better place than the notorious Bethany Home just up the road in Rathgar. A terrible place!
Had a look for Mary in 1901. There are only 2 candidates in all counties..
1) Residents of a house 7 in Corleck (Drumhillagh, Monaghan)
Breakey, William - 40 - Head - Farmer - Presbyterian.
Breakey, Mary - 39 - Wife - Presbyterian
Breakey, Sarah J - 12 - Dtr - Presbyterian
Breakey, Mary L - 10 - Dtr - Presbyterian
Breakey, James M - 8 - Son - Presbyterian
Breakey, John W - 6 - Son - Presbyterian
2) Residents of a house 6 in Kilmore East (Aghabog, Monaghan)
Breakey, Rachel - 39 - Head of Family - Irish Church.
Breakey, Mary Jane G - 13 - Dtr - Irish Church.
Breakey, Martha E - 12 - Dtr - Irish Church.
"Irish Church" is I believe an abbreviation of Irish Church of England. Of the 2 hits I'd suggest #1 is more likely on a strict religion basis.
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My take on the census return is that it was definitely a 'home' for young pregnant unmarried girls to go and have their baby, probably banished from their family homes, temporarily or permanently. Almost every girl there has a very young child with her and those that don't are probably 'expecting'.
Worth noting it was non-RC. All the girls were Church of Ireland, Methodist or Presbyterian. I hope it was a better place than the notorious Bethany Home just up the road in Rathgar. A terrible place!
Had a look for Mary in 1901. There are only 2 candidates in all counties..
1) Residents of a house 7 in Corleck (Drumhillagh, Monaghan)
Breakey, William - 40 - Head - Farmer - Presbyterian.
Breakey, Mary - 39 - Wife - Presbyterian
Breakey, Sarah J - 12 - Dtr - Presbyterian
Breakey, Mary L - 10 - Dtr - Presbyterian
Breakey, James M - 8 - Son - Presbyterian
Breakey, John W - 6 - Son - Presbyterian
2) Residents of a house 6 in Kilmore East (Aghabog, Monaghan)
Breakey, Rachel - 39 - Head of Family - Irish Church.
Breakey, Mary Jane G - 13 - Dtr - Irish Church.
Breakey, Martha E - 12 - Dtr - Irish Church.
"Irish Church" is I believe an abbreviation of Irish Church of England. Of the 2 hits I'd suggest #1 is more likely on a strict religion basis.
DS
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Cheers D.S. Not sure what happened to Mary after the birth of wee Oswald until the time she married in L'pool in 1914. I suspect she came over the Irish Sea as soon as poss after the birth. I've looked on the 1901 to see if I can find her...but only two Mary Breakey's and she has no other names according to her marriage record. Odd one!
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Well.....once again flabbergasted by the kindness of the ancestor hunting community. Today I've been nudged in the direction of Mary being on the 1901 census......in the Bird's Nest Institution! Having google it I now know a little of the history of the place. Also have the ref for young Oswalds birth cert and have contacted the people who may be able to supply records of mary's time at the Bird's Nest. Just amazed at how much kindness and info there is out there. Fingers crossed for some more info on Oswald's line.
Thanks to all,
pauline.
Thanks to all,
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Mary Breaky
Hi Pauline,
Delighted you are getting all the right 'nudges'. Kicking myself I didn't try for Breaky in the 1901!
I actually remember the building on York Road that housed the Bird's Nest, but never knew its history.
With a little luck you might find more information on an Irish Birth cert than an 'English' one. I've a couple that actually name the father of a child to a couple who were not married. And make sure you order a photocopy of the Register entry for 6 Euro. A certified copy like those we get from the Southport GRO cost a tenner. The photocopy has exactly the same image as the certified copy.
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Delighted you are getting all the right 'nudges'. Kicking myself I didn't try for Breaky in the 1901!
I actually remember the building on York Road that housed the Bird's Nest, but never knew its history.
With a little luck you might find more information on an Irish Birth cert than an 'English' one. I've a couple that actually name the father of a child to a couple who were not married. And make sure you order a photocopy of the Register entry for 6 Euro. A certified copy like those we get from the Southport GRO cost a tenner. The photocopy has exactly the same image as the certified copy.
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See.....I wouldn't have known about the 6 Euro copy!!! 
D.S. I looked on the 1901 but couldn't find anything I was swayed to go with. The Mary that the Roots folk found is a spot on dead ringer! Hopefully the people holding the records will supply more info. I can't help but wonder what the circumstances were for Mary being admitted.
Gosh, can't wait for the next installment.
Cheers all,
Pauline.
D.S. I looked on the 1901 but couldn't find anything I was swayed to go with. The Mary that the Roots folk found is a spot on dead ringer! Hopefully the people holding the records will supply more info. I can't help but wonder what the circumstances were for Mary being admitted.
Gosh, can't wait for the next installment.
Cheers all,
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I am almost as excited as you are! And you may find out who Oswald was. Such an odd choice of name back then.
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Re that woman thing!
I think it was definitely that way in England because of the bar on naming the father if the mother wasn't married to him. My maternal g.father got a 'young one into trouble' in 1898. The mother gave her child exactly the same name as the father, including the surname. They married 3 months later. My g.father [actually 18 at the time but added 5 years when he married] didn't have much option I think. Her father was a miner from St Helens!
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I think it was definitely that way in England because of the bar on naming the father if the mother wasn't married to him. My maternal g.father got a 'young one into trouble' in 1898. The mother gave her child exactly the same name as the father, including the surname. They married 3 months later. My g.father [actually 18 at the time but added 5 years when he married] didn't have much option I think. Her father was a miner from St Helens!
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Update! Hi all. Well - I'm steaming ahead with this one. Have sent for Oswald Breakey's birth cert (fun and games in itself!) Seems strange sending something just over the water by "Airmail". Have also had a reply from the office now taking care of records from the Birds Nest Institution. She asked if I could explain why I was interested in Mary Breakey's records before she could deny or agree to help. I can understand that I suppose. So.....am urging Tuesday to hurry up as that's when the lady said she'd get back to me. All systems go then! Fingers crossed folks!
Cheers all,
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Mary Breakey
Hi Pauline,
Thanks for the progress report. With a little bit of luck and a large spoonful of sympathy the lady in charge of those records will say Yeah and help you.
Everything crossed here.... a bit painful but will be worth it I hope!
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Thanks for the progress report. With a little bit of luck and a large spoonful of sympathy the lady in charge of those records will say Yeah and help you.
Everything crossed here.... a bit painful but will be worth it I hope!
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There are lots of "nice" ladies in Ireland - I can testify to that .... met one or two myself over the weekend - also a "nice" guy too - didn't I DS? 
Once you have a legitimate reason for your research they are usually very helpful.
Once you have a legitimate reason for your research they are usually very helpful.
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Hi Mary...I was a tad concerned about my reasons for wanting the info - but just said straight I was trying to get some background on my friend's grandfather. I explained that we knew Oswalds birth and death dates and places but had no idea of his Mammy's parentage and circumstances. I am SO hopeful we get the reasons for Mary being in the Birds Nest Institution. Shall be posting as soon as news comes in!
Ooooh, you been over to the Emerald Isle?
Pauline.
Ooooh, you been over to the Emerald Isle?
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I did go over for the weekend, Dublin Friday and Wexford Saturday and Sunday. A couple of successful bits of research too, including photograph of 2x grandparents grave!
Good luck with your results.
Good luck with your results.
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