Parish Registers

Post by **Droid1** » 31 Aug 2011 12:37

Hi All

just to let you know I have re-applied for membership today, the form has been posted.

Parish Registers? can anyone tell me what Info. will I find in a parish register, i.e Baptisim/Christening? the local Library holds the register, can this register be scanned?. maybe Dickiesam can answer this one the Local Library is Waterford R.O.I

thx

Post by **dickiesam** » 31 Aug 2011 13:48

Hi Droid1,
You are in Cheshire but the 'local library' is Waterford? Which parish registers are you interested in? Which country, mainland UK or Ireland?

If you are asking about Irish registers, from experience only the minimal information is often provided; child's name, parents, sometimes mother's maiden name, name and date of baptism. I have 3 where there isn't a date of birth!

An email to Waterford Library would probably give you more information on access. I do know some libraries will do a search for you. My baptism certs were obtained via a professional researcher.

DS

Post by **Droid1** » 31 Aug 2011 14:19

Hi Sam thanks for the reply, yes its Waterford City Council Library, I have a researcher doing the job, so am I in oder to ask for Batismal Cert. to be offered. as it is costing me Euro's it's Newtown & Kill which waterford city library hold just want to know if by rights am paying for something I need, its ok these people say they found this or that, I need proof asin cert. or scanned images am I right?

Post by **MaryA** » 31 Aug 2011 15:02

Before paying Euros, or at least depending on how many Euros, have your checked the familysearch site as all birth/marriage/death entries are uploaded there now, having said that civil registration doesn't date back as far as it does in England - only to 1864 I think? I know Dickiesame will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

You may be able to get a certificate ordered online if you find the appropriate entries.

Germaine posted some hints to help others, after she had successfully ordered.
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=7429

Post by **dickiesam** » 31 Aug 2011 18:14

Hi,
MaryA is correct in that civil registration of all BMDs began in Ireland in 1864. There was previous legislation from 1845 for the compulsory (civil) registration of all non-Catholic births. This is a very informative article that may assist:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/brow ... /index.htm

Since you are paying a researcher, they will probably simply photocopy the register entry or take a digital photograph. The cost should be nominal since the Irish GRO will provide a photocopy of a post-1864 Register BMD entry for only 6 Euro, post paid. That's about £4.75.

From my experience with a great Limerick researcher, where the event was a pre-1864 Catholic one the researcher took a photocopy of the parish register. The cost was virtually nothing on top of her time. The researcher should be instructed you want documentary evidence of any 'finds' they make. And don't be put off by being told you have to pay for an 'official certified copy'.

If the event took place from 1864 you would do better to identify the event in the FamilySearch database as MaryA suggested and order photocopies from the Irish GRO. http://www.groireland.ie/

DS

FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/
While all the entries are uploaded, not all the extra detail such as parents has been uploaded yet in every case.

Post by **Blue70** » 31 Aug 2011 19:37

I just wanted to second what DS said about buying photocopies from the Irish GRO in County Roscommon. They have all 19th Century registered events pre and post 1864 for both Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland. All you do is print out and fill in the PDF form or just include all the relevant information in a letter. It only costs me £4 in our currency for a photocopy that's great value for an original image sent by post from Ireland.

Blue

Post by **MaryA** » 01 Sep 2011 09:33

I believe if you are in Dublin you can still call in there, check the indexes and order your photocopy across the counter.

Don't know how long this facility will continue as I believe they have been threatening to close it for years and indeed the postal service has been transferred already to Roscommon.

Post by **Droid1** » 01 Sep 2011 11:59

Many thanks for all the replies, I will contact the researcher about documentation for any entries found, yes I do require documentation as proof of who my great grand father was and his Father and Mother and any brothers and sisters who where born In Kilmacthomas.

Via email the researcher told me that they had found my g.grand father who cheated a bit on his Uk cenus regarding age born 1851 not 53/57 as census told me.

My G.grand father was RC born before 1864 so it would appear any ancestors of mine will have to check Parish Registors, in different parts pf R.O.I. for other members of my family, on my Mothers side

Post by **dickiesam** » 01 Sep 2011 12:29

Hi Droid1,
RE:

Via email the researcher told me that they had found my g.grand father who cheated a bit on his Uk cenus regarding age born 1851 not 53/57 as census told me.

To be fair to your g.g.father, the reality is he probably didn't know his exact year of birth. Many working class people wouldn't know exactly unless the year was also one of a significant event such as a Coronation, a Royal birth the child was named after or a 'celebrated' battle etc.

DS

Post by **Droid1** » 01 Sep 2011 15:00

to D/S
Hi Mate thanks for that maybe you can help me out regarding Irish Ancestors, my great great Grand Dad on my mums side was a Lawrence Ruddy I have traced the Ruddy's back to him, he came from Ireland or ROI, the date of the original marriage cert is 1853 02/10/1853 married a Jane Keating Liverpool St Antonys RC Church Scotland Road Liverpool 5, any ideas how I can trace Lawrence Ruddy in Ireland.

droid1

Post by **dickiesam** » 01 Sep 2011 15:53

Droid1 wrote:to D/S
Hi Mate thanks for that maybe you can help me out regarding Irish Ancestors, my great great Grand Dad on my mums side was a Lawrence Ruddy I have traced the Ruddy's back to him, he came from Ireland or ROI, the date of the original marriage cert is 1853 02/10/1853 married a Jane Keating Liverpool St Antonys RC Church Scotland Road Liverpool 5, any ideas how I can trace Lawrence Ruddy in Ireland.

droid1

Hi,
Without a fair bit of luck you are in for the long haul, as we say over here. You need to check the actual census summary page of every UK census you find him in for a clue as to where in Ireland he was from. The transcriptions may have omitted a vital word.

Then it's usually a matter of money again I'm afraid. His birth or baptism might be on the CLDS site: http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/ ... search.asp
His parish register birth/baptism might be uploaded at the Irish Family History Foundation site http://www.rootsireland.ie/
It is free to search but if you get any hits it will cost 5 Euro to see each interesting record. However they have now introduced a wider search facility where you can add parents' names to the search which helps.

Found him in the 1861 to get his age. Then I had a quick look for births/baptisms, all counties, 1829 +/- 2years. No Lawrence/Laurence. A 'No forename' search will show you the 'spread' of the name and it gave 104 hits predominately in the north east of what is now the RoI, in Co Louth, with a few over in Roscommon.

The site search will not allow you to wildcard a forename so L* gave no hits. I extended the years span to +/- 5 without a forename and got 2 hits in Louth.
Church Baptism - Roddy, Lau - 1826 - Co. Louth
Church Baptism - Ruddy, Laur - 1833 - Co. Louth

There may be others in other counties but...
Worth a small investment? 5 Euro = abt £4.25.

DS

Post by **Hilary** » 01 Sep 2011 16:23

The marriage certificate in 1853 should give Laurence's father and occupation which should help abit.

Post by **Droid1** » 02 Sep 2011 12:51

thanks for all the info D/S and Hilary, yes D/S this is going to be one long haul as you mentioned I checked the web site you mentioned found Lau Ruddy in Co Louth when I put Hilarys idea inHugh Ruddy no matches found al keep trying now I know where to look.

Looking at Lawrence Ruddy's marriage cert. put him at age 26 1853, checking the 1861 Census RG9 2651 27 age 32 1871 Census RG 10 3756 21 puts him at 50yrs old it is the same person all the children match up, maybe am looking in the wrong year for his birth