Amelia Hughes help needed

[crossl]

Hi Colette, no I have not found a marriage. There does not appear to be a civil registration of the marriage. I believe they got married in 1856 or 1857 in Port Cygnet. I need to find out somehow in which church and then see if the parish records for that church are available.

I believe you are right about the two girls living close by to each other. Have you found addresses for an Amelia Hughes and Alice Jones which are close to each other?

I am awaiting for her death record from Cornelian Bay cemetery. They answered my request for the record but have not received it yet.

Frank

[colette]

Hi Frank

I am working on it haaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

xx

[Blue70]

Hi Frank,

At some stage you'll need to get together with someone in Tasmania or mainland Australia who is researching the same line and request a search for the marriage to confirm whether a marriage took place or not and if it did whether a father's name and occupation was recorded for Amelia. Here is the link again:-

http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/family_history


Blue

[louis]

Hi Frank

Compulsory registration of BDM in Tasmania was introduced in December 1838, but not every BDM was registered. Tasmanian Marriage Certificates provide the names of the people being married, date and place of marriage, age, occupation and status, names of witnesses.

Names of parents, and places of birth, of the people being married were not added until 1896

For Tasmanian Death Certificates prior to 1897 particulars recorded were: Name of deceased, date and place of death, age, occupation, cause of death.

In 1897 the birthplace of the deceased was added.

Have you searched for references to Amelia Hughes in Tasmanian Newspapers ? There are four references to a Amelia Hughes, two in The Colonial Times (Hobart) July & August 1848, one in The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston), March 1850, and one in the Launceston Examiner, March 1850. This is most likely your Amelia. The web site for online digitised Australian newspapers is http://www.trove.nla.gov.au

An Australian gateway site for hundreds of links is http://www.coraweb.com.au

If you haven't already done so, I would suggest to read the various guides relating to Tasmanian records at http://www.linc.tas.gov.au

The police number on Amelia's convict indent is a unique number to her and any other reference in later records should be referenced by her number (helps searching records for the right person). I still think the best chance of finding her parent's names is for someone to check the indictment record in Liverpool Record Office. As there was no parent's names on her convict indent I think its rather unlikely that you will find one in the Tasmanian records, but don't give up until all avenues are exhausted.

Hope this helps in your search.
Louis

[colette]

Hi Frank

worth getting her death cert cert then dont you think.

you can order it from here

http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/death ... ertificate

[colette]

Hi

Alice Jones married Frederick Stevenson he was a Free man, in Dec 1845 his age 21 her age 22 making her born 1823..they had a daughter in 1849 named Charlotte hears that name again...


Charlotte Stevenson

birth date:

16 Sep 1849 Hobart Tas...
dont seem to see anymore children....

Here is William & Amelias Grave...

[crossl]

Thanks everyone for the help. One thing I cannot understand is why I am unable to find a death entry for Amelia Glover on the Tasnamian BDM website. It's a fact she is buried in Cornelian Bay cemetery, her burial date is Sept. 16, 1910. So why does she not show up on either the Australian BDM indexes or the Tasmanian one?

Frank

[colette]

Hi Frank

seems odd theres no death reg ..

found this woman whos related to Alice read thissssssssss.


Dear listers,
My great-great-grandmother was transported to Van Diemans Land via the
Angelina, arriving in Hobart on 25th August, 1844. She was convicted as
Elizabeth Armstrong, but later admitted her correct name was Charlotte
Jones. Her sister Alice Jones also ended up in Van Dieman's land via the
Woodbridge, arriving in Hobart on Christmas Day, 1843.
Elizabeth/Charlotte married Edward Meurillion in Kirklands in 1846 and at
the completion of her sentence in 1852, Charlotte, Edward and two children
Mary Anne and Charlotte came to the mainland, eventually settling on the
Eaglehawk goldfield, near Bendigo.
Alice married in Tassie to Frederick Stevenson. Alice and her children came
to Melbourne at the end of her sentence, but Frederick seems to drift in and
out of her life over the years.
I have quite of lot of information on the Meurillion families, and a little
about the Stevensons. I'd be pleased to hear from anyone researching these
families and would love to share our family information with a new relation.

Many thanks,
Marg Watson.
I will PM you with her email address

no bloody wonder we cany find siblings if Alice's family is anything to go by half of them are over there too haaaaaaaaaaaaa..

email this lady you never know she may have a photo..of Alice its one for the file isnt it...

[Blue70]

Interesting stuff Col. Just a had a little look at the Tasmanian criminal records. Charlotte Jones AKA Elizabeth Armstrong was a native of Whitchurch which I think is in Shropshire (Salop). I remember seeing a matching Jones family that was from Whitchurch. I couldn't make out all the writing but it mentions her other name Charlotte Jones and Alice coming over on the Woodbridge.

Blue

[colette]

Hi

It appears Charlotte and her sister Frances stole Stockings in Jan 17th 1840 and recieved 18 months hard labourer..there wa salso a Jane Jones who took the stocking plus she stole other stuff..

they are all in the Howard Street Jail in 1841..yes i saw Whitechurch..there is a Whitechurch in Pembrokshire Wales..

Think we need to see if there is a Frances Jones who was sent over too

Anyway Charlotte was born c 1828..Frances born c 1826 and Alice c 1824..funny that Alice doesnt mention Frances as a sister..she says Elizabeth and William as siblings....

I fear we are making progress dear Frank

xx

[colette]

Hi

Yes Blue was right

1851 Chapel Lane Liverpool
Andrew Jones 50 Porter all born Whitechurch Shropshire
Mary Jones 49
William Jones 17
Elizabeth Jones 20

1841 living Danes Street by Skelhorn Street
same people as we know Charlotte & Frances were in Jail

[louis]

Hi Frank

Amelia Glover's death details.

Name: Amelia Glover
Death Date: 1910
Death Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania
Registration number: 1271

Louis

[crossl]

Colette and Louis, you are saying that the Alice Jones who was convicted with Amelia Hughes in1843 was born in Wales? Opening up the possibility that Amelia Hughes might have come from there as well?
If so then why would Amelia Hughes family not show up in the 1841 census?

Louis, how did you get the death entry for Amelia?

Frank

[colette]

Hi Frank

There is a Whitechurch in Pembrokshire Wales..BUT we have since found Alice Jones's family in Liverpool and they are from Whitechurch Shropshire..

Dont know how well you know Liverpool but Alice's family in 1841 were living in what looks like DANES Street someone will correct me if i am wrong the spelling is hard to read..this area was by Copperas Hill not too far from Lime Street Station..

We know Alice and Amelia were Female Servants..this is how they could have met maybe working in the same area..

There was an Alice Jones aged 16 Female Servant working in Berkeley Street Toxteth in 1841 says born Lancashire

If you contact Margaret the lady who is the Great Great Grandaughter of Alice i am sure she will have lots of information.

We know now that even though Alice Jones says her Native place was Liverpool this was not true..so i recon it could be the same for Amelia..with her not naming a father or mother it looks like they were deceased at the time ..the two lads we found in Liverpool in 1841 Josh & Elisha..seem to dissapear i can see no trace of them in 1851..1861 etc in Liverpool..

The Elisha Hughes in 1841 Liverpool was living in Sidney Street..this is the same area as Alice Jones's family.

Can someone confirm what the letter is for Elisha's bith place it looks like a W to me for Wales.....For Josh it just says NO not born in Lancashire..

[Blue70]

Hi Frank,

Alice Jones and her family came to Liverpool from Whitchurch in Shropshire, England. Shropshire is near the Welsh border so the family will probably have Welsh roots further back. We haven't established the connection yet between Alice Jones and Amelia Hughes whether they were friends or relations. They might have been cousins.

Here is an extract from The Liverpool Mercury from 17th January 1840 about three of the Jones girls who were sentenced to 18 months:-






Blue

[crossl]

Hi Blue, thanks for the help. I am wondering whether we have the right Alice Jones. Do we know when she married Frederik Stevenson? was it while in prison or after she was released? Are there other Alice Jones who were transported to Tasmania?

Frank

[Blue70]

Hi Frank,

Marg Watson's Alice Jones was the accomplice of Amelia Hughes because of the following revealing quote:-

"... Alice Jones also ended up in Van Dieman's land via the Woodbridge, arriving in Hobart on Christmas Day, 1843."

We know for sure that our Alice Jones was transported to VDL on the Woodbridge and arrived on Christmas Day 1843. We also know that Elizabeth Armstrong AKA Charlotte Jones is the sister of Alice Jones because the same family names appear on each of their criminal records. Elizabeth AKA Charlotte's record even mentions Alice's transportation on the Woodbridge.


Blue

[crossl]

Thanks Blue, just want to make sure we have the right Alice. I did send an email to Marg Watson to see what info. she might have.

Frank

[louis]

Hi Frank/Collete

Amelia Glover's death details came from the Tasmanian Federation Index. If you are near a LDS Family History Centre they may have them in their Australian collection on microfiche or CD. Probably wise to send for the Death Certificate to confirm the birthplace, however there is no online facility in Tasmania so 'snail mail' is the only way.

Collette, regarding the entry for Elisha Hughes in Sidney Street in the 1841 Census - the letter is an N, it looks like a W as there is a small tick on the end which makes it look like a W. There are quite a lot of small ticks in that column down the page and on previous pages (probably by someone collating info). So it looks like Elisha was not born in the county of Lancashire. However, the last column asks "whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts", so I would assume that does not rule out Wales for anyone in the column "not born in same county".

Louis

[Janita]

Hello, here we are another branch of Amelia's, Clive and Truda, who live in Oz. We have just been to Tasmania and seen where Amelia spent some time at the Cascades Female Factory. I am going to apply for the death certificate and hopefully we'll find something definite there. I (Truda) have done so much on Amelia, but so pleased you have got this going again. At least we are a bit further along. As soon as I get some details I will post them for you.

Truda