Neuling family in Austraila

[mavis]

Hello, In answer to the last post [ #7743 ] I think that Hermann Neuling that sailed to Sydney in 1945 with Mavis and her children might be the son of Julius Neuling [ Herman's brother] ---- with all the Herman's in the family it kind of gets confusing --- the Herman Neuling who went to Australia was born in 1892 -- and in 1945 that would have made his around 53, Julius Neuling born 1890 also had a son called Herman Neuling --- he must be around 85 now and living in Scotland with his 3rd wife June ---- I email June once in a while but she seems to have not been answering her emails lately, ---- Herman [ Julius son] was an engineer and he sailed all over the world and I'm sure he could have afforded a 1st class ticket, I met him the first time in NYC. NY in 1953 ---- its wonderful to learn that Mavis Ethel lived in England for a while, in 1945 I lived in Liverpool and was 6 at the time so I might have met her ---- I saw on one of the posts that she came to England and stayed with my grandmother in 1938 at 55 Cockburn st. Liverpool. I'm sure I will get all the "Hermans" sorted out soon --- we have 4 Herman's in the family [ my brother being one of them], many thanks for all the information I will pass it along to the rest of the family,

[mavis]

Hi again, I live in the USA Washington state --- North west just below Canada and there are 8 hours time difference--- I tried to call June Neuling in Scotland --- her husband is Herman Neuling [ Julius Neulings son] ---- I wanted to ask her if Herman's middle initial is J. but no one was home so I left a message, Herman is sick so he might be in the hospital, hope she emails me back so I can "solve the story".

[Tina]

Good luck Mavis with response from Herman and June.

Anc have a marriage as Mary pointed out to Mark I Cunningham which should ready Mary I.
I've sent a correction.
2nd qtr 1951 Lpl N.

GR8 find D.S for Herman going to Oz.
So, he's bn around 1915
Not Julius' brother or son.

Added: I've found Herman J on the same ship as his wife Mavis arriving in 1938.
The men listed separately from the women!
He's 23 engineer, going to the Dingle address too.

[Tina]

In the last census as Newling
Catherine is 42, Dora 3, Edwd 8, John 15, Julius 10, Walter 6.
Tox Park.
Herman bn Germany 1866.

What relation was Herman J to Catherine when he came to UK in 1938??
I'm losing the plot..

[mavis]

Hello Tine, my you have been busy --- I am at a loss who this 23 year old Herman J could be, in 1938 he is 23? could it be that Herman Neuling was married twice and Herman J was the product of his first marriage? I noticed the children he had with Mavis Ethel were not named after their dad, thats the only explanation I can come up with, --- from what I have found out in the last few weeks --- Herman Neuling b. 1892 joined the army in England in around 1909 and for some reason he deserted in 1911 --- as a child [ and even as an adult] I was told he went to Australia --- I did some looking back on dates and the Herman in Scotland who is married to June is around 85 now so he must have been born around 1927 ---- the only explanation could be is that the Herman who went to Australia married twice ---- because in 1938 he would have been 46 years old.I do appreciate all the help you are giving me Tina, many thanks, Mavis

[mavis]

Hello Tina its me again, I was "thinking" could the Herman who arrived with Mavis in 1938 be Catherine Neulings grandson? if her son Herman went to Australia after 1911 he could have married and had a son and named him Herman J --- in one post someone mentioned a Herman Neuling died in OZ? ---- I was born in March 1939 and my mother named me Mavis Ethel ---- I always thought I was named after her brothers wife it could be I was named after his sons wife ---- so many family names repeated glad to say I have no Mavis's in my family, thanks again Tina.

[dickiesam]

To further confuse or clear the air...

These are the 2 children who travelled out with Herman and Mavis in 1945.

NEULING, Raymond J
Registration district: Bucklow, Cheshire
Year/qtr of registration: 1944 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Manning
Volume no: 8A; Page no: 394.

NEULING, Sandra J
Registration district: Bucklow, Cheshire
Year/qtr of registration: 1942 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Manning
Volume no: 8A; Page no: 461.

[mavis]

Hi thanks for the "extra" information --- I think someone posted some information that Mavis Ethels maiden name was Manning ---- so it could have been Mavis's mother that traveled back with them[ just a thought] if Mavis & Herman came back to England to visit her family in 1938 and WW2 broke out in 1939 they might have had to spend the time in England and were not allowed to travel back to Australia till 1945 after the end of the war, its to bad my family didnt keep me "in the loop" about the relatives in Australia --- I have one uncle still alive living in Scotland --- he is a Herman Neuling too he is about 85, I tried to call them and I received no answer, thanks for the information, Mavis

[Tina]

Hi Mavis & D.S
Yes the family would have had to stay in England during WW2.
I feel Herman J was the son of Herman the deserter. See my posts where he was in Sth Oz married
to Caroline.
He died & Caroline re-married. I did mention the big swing in the years listed in Archives.
Do you think both Mavis & Herman were born in S.A, met and married there, had their kiddies while in
England.
And that Catherine was Herman's grannie, living in Tox Park 1938??

Added in Sth Oz again between 1907-1916 there is a birth Caroline Kathleen Neuling.


Cheers

[mavis]

Hi Tina, I think we "think" alike I was sitting down yesterday drinking my coffee and I went over the posts, and when I saw the post [ again] died in SA and Carolyn Neuling married again, ----- you know I think we have solved the mystery ---- thank you ladies and gentlemen I'm sure we can put this "family story" to bed ---- Herman jr. and Mavis will be dead but their family still lives on, I wish I could get a hold of the Herman [ Herman & June] in Scotland and tell them the story but the last time I spoke to June he was very, if I do get a chance to speak to him again I will pass on all this wonderful information, Thanks everyone, Mavis

[MaryA]

Do tell him from us that we send him our very best wishes, after all we've been researching his namesakes so we almost know him!

[mavis]

I will be sure to do that,

[Tina]

Lovely post Mary and thank you.

[mavis]

Hello again,
Tina you and everyone else on the Forum have been so helpful to me in finding the "lost Neuling's " in Australia --- I finally got a call through to Herman & June Neuling in Scotland and filled them in with all the news you were able to find for me, Herman was sad that our uncle Herman the one who went to Australia after 1911 died so young but he was happy that the Herman & Mavis that came to Liverpool in 1938 was his son, and that they had two children while they were here from 1938-1945, its to bad that we didnt all keep in contact more back then but with the war and everything else --- I just wanted to thank you all again for the time you put in in helping me, Mavis

[dickiesam]

Hello Mavis,
Great news you were able at last to contact your Scots people and update them with the latest 'findings'. Very pleased for you.

[Tina]

That's a ditto from me too. Great news.
Love a happy ending.
Just a little about Julius, he was 25yrs old a trimmer (I think they worked in the boiler room?) he was 5ft 9in, weighed 154lbs
aboard the Cedric arr. 25.9.1925 to N.Y from Lpool.

Added later I've found him again from Brazil to N.Y he has 15yrs service, aged 35yrs
listed as a donkeyman..arr. 7.5.1935
Middle name of Peter

[Tina]

In the last census they are listed as Hewling, John as Johh..
I've sent a correction to Anx.

[mavis]

Thanks Tina,
Coming from Liverpool a lot of families had family members who were merchant marines, my own brother Herman Redfern [ brother by my mothers first marriage] and my father Alfred Edward Dineley, I remember when I was about 12 my mother wanted us to go and live in N.Y.C USA so she got herself a job on a liner --- to go and "check things out",she made about 3 trips, while she was away my father used to tell us storied about the times he was at sea, one of the stories was when the Vestrus [ spelling] went down, must have been in the 1920's or there about ---- he was on 3 ships that went down --- from listening to him I do believe he had sea water in his blood --- how sad that all the shipping left Liverpool.

[Johnowens]

My Grandfather was Edward Neuling son of Herman Neuling Snr (born Germany),Herman son Herman jnr Appeared to emergrated to Austraila date unsure, However Herman jnr son also named Herman(2) came back to Liverpool 1939 as aQuallified enginer with his wife and as all people landing in this country had to leave an adddress of were they are staying inthe uk They listed My greatgrandmother address of Cockburn st Liverpool 8 . It would appear that he went back to Austraila in 1948. Julias Neuling (son of Hermann snr) also had son called Herman (3). Mavis is he the one Living in Scotland.

[Johnowens]

In the last census as Newling
Catherine is 42, Dora 3, Edwd 8, John 15, Julius 10, Walter 6.
Tox Park.
Herman bn Germany 1866.

What relation was Herman J to Catherine when he came to UK in 1938??
I'm losing the plot..

I BELIEVE HE WAS HER GRANDSON