ORPHANAGES

[mark sh]

HIvery new here imtrying to locate what orphanageswere aroud from the 1920 s in litherland aintree areas mt grandad was put in one in about 1923 ish his mother died age 32 and i dont know where his father went he was called william alfred shalliker he would have been 8yrs old his sister was jessie shalliker shewas 6 yrs old and his brother george dennis shalliker he would have been 10 i have found there mother she died in prescot in sept 1923 carnt find father william alfred shalliker any where birth death or marriage george went to america but died in wales in 1979 and jessie went to australia as a child i think any help appreciated thanks mk...

[dickiesam]

Hi,
I know this is not answering your question about the location of orphanages but with regard to orphanage records there is a strong possibility that those from the 1920s may be closed in respect of the 100 year rule.

In case you don't have this information, these are the parents of your g.father William Alfred:
William A Shalliker married Jessie Bates
Registration district: West Derby
Year/qtr of registration: 1912 / Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 1040

According to census returns William A Shalliker was born abt 1880. Using that YoB as a base I believe this may be his death:
SHARLIKER, William A
Registration district: Liverpool North
Year/qtr of registration: 1959 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 78
Volume no: 10D; Page no: 418.

This is probably his birth:
SHARLIKER, William Alfred
Registration district: West Derby
Year/qtr of registration: 1880 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 516.

And he may have remarried or is this his son?
Marriage: William A Shalliker married Mary Grainger.
Registration district: Liverpool North
Year of registration: 1942 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 861.

[mark sh]

THANKS FOR THE INFO oops some i knew ie my grandad but lots i didnt know my great grandad very interesting many many thanks mk...

[Katie]

Did the mum die in Whiston Hospital? The children may have been sent to Fazackerley Cottage Homes. The records are held at Sandhills, Liverpool however the research officer will have to access the records as they are closed for 100 years

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

A similar question has been asked recently and I believe the same answers would be applicable to yours. I don't know of any orphanages in the Litherland area, not to say there aren't any, other may know, but I would think it might be worth your while to enquire with the Cottage Homes in Fazakerley, that would be the most logical with your mention of Aintree.

http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =2&t=12078

[Tina]

Just to help with searches in Aus & USA
Jessie bn 1913 Wm A 1914 and George D 1917 all W.Dby nee Bates.

[Tina]

No luck finding Jessie going to Oz. She may have come with a group of children with the Home Child Scheme??
In 1938 Directory there is one Shaliker and 6 Shalliker's listed.

[dickiesam]

Just to help with searches in Aus & USA
Jessie bn 1913 Wm A 1914 and George D 1917 all W.Dby nee Bates.

Haven't found either Jessie or George leaving the UK in the outgoing passenger lists 1920 to 1960.

But, did find this:
George D Shallicker married Evelyn Saunderson
Registration district: Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire
Year/qtr of registration: 1956 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 8C; Page no: 994.

Sadly, this appears to be Evelyn's passing:
Death: SHALLIKER, Evelyn Alice M
Registration district: Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire
Year/qtr of registration: 1972 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Date of Birth: 7 April 1914
Volume no: 8C; Page no: 1985

I assume it is family lore that George went to the USA? Given the close proximity of Haverfordwest to Pembroke Dock, my thinking is that:
A) He could have been in the RAF, because the Dock was a major RAF base up to about 1957. He could have been in the US as crew without appearing in any passenger lists.
B) Or he may have been in the Army which had maintained a substantial presence in the area for many years.
C) Does his death certificate indicate his former occupation and who was the informant?

[Tina]

Good finds D.S
Looks like George married late in life.
marriage & death in Haverfordwest, no record to USA.
I feel your presumptions are correct.

[mark sh]

thankyou guys girls i thanyou from the bottom of my heart and ive just broke my toes lol george did go to new york i have seen a record of this as did william alfred twice dob 20/05/1915 my grandad also seattle he wanted to live in galverston but my grandmar wouldnt go he was a merchant seaman died age 42 on ship george joined the army and was a boxer jessie it is believed went to oz from childrens home age 12 d.o.b. june 1913 ive found a marriage for william alfred born 1880 gt grandad to someone called grainger in 1942 thanks again

[Tina]

Thanks Mark.
That would be Mary Grainger, see post from D.S

An anx member has posted a photo of George Dennis. Not sure of the protocol, will send you a private message.
No further info except his marriage and death. I'd say the poster is connected to Evelyn's family.

Just for your records Wm Alf was baptised at St Thomas Seaforth
26th September 1880, father Wm a plumber.

[Tina]

Wm Alf Shalliker, jnr 3rd engineer joined ship in London 17.11.1942
5ft 5in, 148 lbs, no tattoos, English 28yrs. ( no marital status)
arr N.Y 26.1.1943 aboard El Mirlo.
Ship was sunk on 11 Aug 1943 by u-boat, crew of 37 all saved.
(carrying oil & diesel from Trinidad to Freetown)

[Tina]

Side tracking here.
Was Walter Oswald Shalliker a cousin of the family, bapt 1878 St Thomas Seaforth to John & Esther?
His wife Susan & kiddies leave for Melbourne in 1912 and I've found Walter in electoral rolls in Victoria.
(2 of his sons are plumbers!)
Another limb on the tree???
The reason I ask is that Jessie may have ended up with this family.

ps I've emailed a genie pal in Qld who is passionate about finding children sent here under from orphanages and homes.

[dickiesam]

george joined the army

So my supposition may have been correct. There was, maybe still is because it is a very long time since I was there, a major Army presence in Pembrokeshire with huge firing ranges and weapon testing facilities. A lot of the county was 'out of bounds', especially seawards, when the red flags were up and the ranges were in use.

[mark sh]

HI THANKS FOR INFO oops DS and Tina exciting isnt it About walter etc i have no idea at all i know there is an isabella an alice william alfred mother was Alice and was head of family no man ???? william alfred 1880 parents were rachel and william shalliker (sharliker) he had 2 sisters elizabeth and emma believe one married a bold and one married a haynes dont know about kids for george dennis carnt find any and only found birth for jessie then nothing this name of mine seems to be harder to find than i thought people carnt spell it ha ha found a george going to newyork and seattle same as william alf gdad but thats it

[mark sh]

jessie pinched something trivual and ended up in orphanage william alfred shalliker but spelt wrong cos he was told there was no pension for him was spelt(sharliker) he lived at 40 faversham road liverpool and died at 241 westminster rd liverpool thanks mk...

[Tina]

Hi folks
Emailed Mark photo of George D & his wife Evelyn, she was married before nee Parry bn Dryfed.
241 Westminster Rd was the old Kirkdale Homes, I believe later it was a home for the aged. Our crew will know.
Wm Alf snr was at Faversham Rd genl labr in 1938 Directory.

My friend in Qld found Wm Alfred was lost at sea off the Sussex coast in 1958 aged 43yrs.
She also said, while some kiddies were going to Oz, at the last minute they were often sent to Canada.

[mark sh]

hi guys thanks for the pm tina my grandad had a heart attack at sea age 43 the ship was due home but turned for germany william alf my grandad flipped at the captain and had a heart attack he s buried in south shields it was believed that william alf snr sisters had a ship building business in liverpool that some one had gone to oz and there was a port sharliker some where in oz ????? jessie is really had to pin down im looking was on line for hours last night but no luck pics are great tina many thanks mark...

[MaryA]

The Kirkdale Homes was once an Industrial School, you can see some photographs of what it looked like here http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Liverpool/ scroll down till you come to it. Yes it became a home for the elderly from 1904 onwards, but a chilling place it was, hope many people went in there for only a short while.

[mark sh]

thanks for the pics marya appreciate that got quite a bit on gt gt gt grandad +mother john and alice their kids helen nancy mary isabella jane alice margaret and my gt gt g dad william gt gt grandmar rachel gt g dad william alf 1880 D.O.B. confusing isnt it but my grandad and his siblings george and jessie are proving elusive got georges death and thanks ti tina a pic and his wife but nothing in between and jessie well nothing at all apart was sent to oz but did she stay there and is there a port sharliker there ???? just spent 5 hrs on line now i carnt see got to come to liverpool my mothers wants to go too not that far really im in co Durham mams in tyne and wear thanks again speak soon mark...