Johnson

[simone]

No probs Allan

Do you have Ephraim on later census.. living with son Charles and family in 1891
RG12; Piece: 2927; Folio: 34; Page: 3

and 1901, grandfather, born Belfast, with the Linaker/Kenyon family
RG13; Piece: 3429; Folio: 104; Page: 11.

If not I'll post full details

Simone x

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello simone

I don't have either in full so would appreciate same

Best Regards
Allan

[simone]

1891
126 Upper Warwick Street, Toxteth Park
Charles Johnson 39 Driller of Iron b Liverpool
Emma Johnson 42 wife b Liverpool
William Johnson 13 son
Emma Johnson 10 daughter
Ephaim Johnson 70 Father b Ireland, Cotton Porter

1901
303 Beaufort Street, Dingle
William Linaker 44 Boilermaker, b Liverpool
Elizabeth Linaker 44 b Liverpool
Mary A Linaker 6 daughter, b Liverpool
Ephraim Kenyon 22 step son, French Polisher, b Liverpool
Jane Kenyon 20 step daughter, Hair Spinner
Elizabeth Kenyon 18 step daughter, Hair Spinner
Ephraim Johnson 85 widower b Belfast Ireland, grandfather, Retired General Labourer

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello simone

Many thanks for the 2 full census for 1891 and 1901.

A lot could have happened between the two census for 1841 and 1851.
Do you know if there is a census for Ephraim and Jane Johnson for 1841 at an address in the UK with other "family" members? Not sure when they left Ireland since their son John aged 9 on the 1851 census was born in Ireland?

The information that you gave me below gives me another line of enquiry via the Donakey family, Margaret at some point might have kept in contact with her son John.

"Margaret Jane Johnstone, Servant, 16 Garston Street
Birth Year: abt 1853
Age: 30
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1883
Parish:Toxteth St Matthew
Spouse's Name: Henry Donakey, Mariner
Father's Name: Ephraim Johnstone, Porter
Spouse Father's Name: William Donakey, Plasterer, 16 Mann Street
witnesses John & Elizabeth Southern"

Best Regards
Allan

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello simone

Been on the Free BMD website and came acroos the following Donakey family name, might be a coincidence but it is after all an unusual surname.

Henry Donakey born March qtr 1855 West Derby 8b 257, similar age to Margaret Jane Johnson.

Married Dec qtr Toxteth Park 8b 480 (marraige date 27/10/1883)

Birth William Henry June 1899 qtr Toxteth Park 8b 220
Birth John Jospeh Dec 1902 qtr Toxteth Park 8b 196

Death William Henry June 1900 qtr Toxteth Park 8b 193 aged 1
Death William Donakey Dec 1907 qtr Toxteth Park 8b 174 aged 78 possibly Henry's father.

Best Regards
Allan

[dickiesam]

1861:
ROGERS, Robert - Head - 52 - Dock labourer - At Sea.
ROGERS, Elizabeth - Wife - 48 - Manchester.
DONAKEY, Jane - Stepdtr - Married - 26 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Henry - Stepson - 6 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Hugh - Stepson - (11M) - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Harriet - Stepdtr - 8 - Liverpool
ROGERS, Ellen - Dtr - 9 - Liverpool
IRELAND, Ellen - G.dtr - 11 - Liverpool.
Address: 150 Maitland Place, Liverpool.
RG09 - Piece: 2703 - Folio: 81 - Page: 38

No marriage for Robert and Elizabeth so far... another 'over the brush' situation?

[simone]

Henry's brother?
or is he Henry?

William Henry Donakey 43, widow, Laxey Street, Mariner
7 Jan 1898
Walton On The Hill St Thomas
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hart, 35, widow, Shaftesbury St
Father's Name: William Donakey, plasterer
Spouse Father's Name: Edward Hackett, labourer
witnesses Thomas Fairchurch? & Mary Wattlebord/bond?

can't see Ephraim listed in 1841

[dickiesam]

RE:

Henry's brother? William Henry Donakey 43, widow, Laxey Street

Henry doesn't have a brother in the 1861 census unless he stayed with his father when his mother appears to have jumped ship to live with Robert Rogers.

Alan, re that death you found...
1901:
DONAKY, William - Boarder - Widower - 71 - General labourer - Liverpool, Lancashire.
Address: 94 & 96 Hill Street, Toxteth Park.
RG13 - Piece: 3427 - Folio: 79 - Page: 21

[simone]

Yes Brian, was wondering about that.. amended my post slighty.. could William Henry be Henry, same age?

[simone]

1861:
ROGERS, Robert - Head - 52 - Dock labourer - At Sea.
ROGERS, Elizabeth - Wife - 48 - Manchester.
DONAKEY, Jane - Stepdtr - Married - 26 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Henry - Stepson - 6 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Hugh - Stepson - (11M) - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Harriet - Stepdtr - 8 - Liverpool
ROGERS, Ellen - Dtr - 9 - Liverpool
IRELAND, Ellen - G.dtr - 11 - Liverpool.
Address: 150 Maitland Place, Liverpool.
RG09 - Piece: 2703 - Folio: 81 - Page: 38

Jane's children, not Elizabeth's?


Hugh Donakey
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1860
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1861
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: William Donakey, plasterer
Mother's Name: Jane Donakey

[simone]

"Margaret Jane Johnstone, Servant, 16 Garston Street
Birth Year: abt 1853
Age: 30
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1883
Parish:Toxteth St Matthew
Spouse's Name: Henry Donakey, Mariner
Father's Name: Ephraim Johnstone, Porter
Spouse Father's Name: William Donakey, Plasterer, 16 Mann Street
witnesses John & Elizabeth Southern"

Found this

William Henry Donaky
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1887
Parish: Toxteth Park St Thomas
Father's Name: William Henry Donaky, mariner, 16 Gaskill St
Mother's Name: Maryaret Jane Donaky

[dickiesam]

1861:
ROGERS, Robert - Head - 52 - Dock labourer - At Sea.
ROGERS, Elizabeth - Wife - 48 - Manchester.
DONAKEY, Jane - Stepdtr - Married - 26 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Henry - Stepson - 6 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Hugh - Stepson - (11M) - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Harriet - Stepdtr - 8 - Liverpool
ROGERS, Ellen - Dtr - 9 - Liverpool
IRELAND, Ellen - G.dtr - 11 - Liverpool.
Address: 150 Maitland Place, Liverpool.
RG09 - Piece: 2703 - Folio: 81 - Page: 38

It is beginning to look as though all three step-children are in fact Jane's.
DONAKEY, Harriet - Stepdtr - 8 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Henry - Stepson - 6 - Liverpool
DONAKEY, Hugh - Stepson - (11M) - Liverpool

Marriage?
DONAKEY, William Married either MCCLURE, Jane [or PRIOR, Bridget]
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1853 / Dec qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 108

[simone]

Lancs bmd has

DONAKEY William
MCCLURE Jane
Liverpool, St. Peter

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello dickiesam and simone

I am definitely now in overload, thought that I could follow a narrow route via the marraige of Margaret to Henry Donakey but things appear to be fragmenting even more.

I will endeavour to visit my local library/records office some time next week and explore the other documents available in view of the fact that John's father according to his birth certifiocate is currently unknown.

Not sure if you remember me mentioning in the "Kirwin" topic that Lynette's brother Cavan thought that there was Portuguese in the family since our youngest daughter Roisin is thought to be Portuguese by the Portuguese. Bergonia De Ventre (speeling might be off) comes to mind!

Many thanks for all this extra information as ever.

Best Regards
Allan

[allanpshepherd123]

Just got back from a hospital appointment so unable to visit library today.

I have looked at both the Free BMD and Lancashire BMD index but could not find death details for either Henry Donakey or Margaret Jane Johnson who became his wife in October 1883.

On the 1881 census both Margaret and her son John were living at 16 Gaskell Street (Gaskill Street) so is it possible via any other records to know where John her son (then 11) went when she married Henry Donakey in October 1883 and he would be 13? Did he become a stepson or did he stay with his grandparent(s)?

Is there a 1891 census for Ephraim Johnson and his remaining family since John, Ephraim's grandson married Pheobe Colyer in August 1890?

Best Regards
Allan

[simone]

1891
126 Upper Warwick Street, Toxteth Park
Charles Johnson 39 Driller of Iron b Liverpool
Emma Johnson 42 wife b Liverpool
William Johnson 13 son
Emma Johnson 10 daughter
Ephaim Johnson 70 Father b Ireland, Cotton Porter

1901
303 Beaufort Street, Dingle
William Linaker 44 Boilermaker, b Liverpool
Elizabeth Linaker 44 b Liverpool
Mary A Linaker 6 daughter, b Liverpool
Ephraim Kenyon 22 step son, French Polisher, b Liverpool
Jane Kenyon 20 step daughter, Hair Spinner
Elizabeth Kenyon 18 step daughter, Hair Spinner
Ephraim Johnson 85 widower b Belfast Ireland, grandfather, Retired General Labourer

Hi Allan

Posted the 1891 for Ephraim earlier in the thread

[allanpshepherd123]

Hi simone

Apologies, yes you did. Hospital lapse!!

Best Regards
Allan

[simone]

"Margaret Jane Johnstone, Servant, 16 Garston Street
Birth Year: abt 1853
Age: 30
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1883
Parish:Toxteth St Matthew
Spouse's Name: Henry Donakey, Mariner
Father's Name: Ephraim Johnstone, Porter
Spouse Father's Name: William Donakey, Plasterer, 16 Mann Street
witnesses John & Elizabeth Southern"

Found this

William Henry Donaky
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1887
Parish: Toxteth Park St Thomas
Father's Name: William Henry Donaky, mariner, 16 Gaskill St
Mother's Name: Maryaret Jane Donaky

they were still in Gaskill Street in 1887... will have alook around and try and spot them in 1891

[simone]

Henry's brother?
or is he Henry?

William Henry Donakey 43, widow, Laxey Street, Mariner
7 Jan 1898
Walton On The Hill St Thomas
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hart, 35, widow, Shaftesbury St
Father's Name: William Donakey, plasterer
Spouse Father's Name: Edward Hackett, labourer
witnesses Thomas Fairchurch? & Mary Wattlebord/bond?

can't see Ephraim listed in 1841

given that we know from his son's baptism (William Henry born 1887) that Henry is really William Henry, then I think that this is a second marriage for Henry

[dickiesam]

Allan, deaths at sea will not be recorded in the GRO indexes transcribed by FreeBMD.

Death: DONAKEY, W H
Date of death: February 1910
Age: Not entered
Place of death: Not entered
Belonging to service: Not entered
Ship: Not entered
Series: BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box:0047