Emigration to British Columbia

[leigh]

In the 1920s Thomas Percival ELSTON (b1901 Liverpool) emigrated from Liverpool and settled in British Columbia. Would his journey have taken him via New York (Ellis Island) or were there more direct routes from Liverpool to Canada at that time?

Thank you.

[Blue70]

Halifax, Nova Scotia?


Blue

[leigh]

Thanks Blue.

[Hilary]

Outbound passenger lists can be found on Find my past. their T & Cs forbid look ups but you can do a free search.

[leigh]

Thanks again Hilary.

[dickiesam]

He need not have travelled 'direct' to BC. I have a family who left Liverpool for Australia and settled there. Some 10 years later they moved across to New Zealand following the husband's job and stayed there for 7 years. Finished up in BC where their descendents still reside.

If, for instance, he was in the Merchant Navy he could have simply ended up in BC as his last port of call and stayed there.

[Tina]

Nothing in Outbound passengers Leigh. 12 listed ages way out.
Nothing either in Anx.
Do you know his wife's first name please?
Perhaps she may be easier to find.
Cheers

[leigh]

Thanks DS you made some good points.

[leigh]

Thanks Tina.

I'm trying to sort out some info and come up with a possible wife's name for you.

In the meantime can you tell me what Anx stands for?

[dickiesam]

Thanks Tina.

I'm trying to sort out some info and come up with a possible wife's name for you.

In the meantime can you tell me what Anx stands for?

Tina comes on the early morning shift from Down-under, so not to keep you in suspense Anx is short for Ancestry.com etc.

[Tina]

Thanks D.S
I refer to it as Anx as the errors give me Anxiety!!

[MaryA]

I refer to it as Anx as the errors give me Anxiety!!

[dickiesam]

Thanks D.S
I refer to it as Anx as the errors give me Anxiety!!

From what I have heard/seen it would give me High Anxiety!

[johnhoul]

Just thinking aloud,There was a Thomas Percival Elston who married in 1933 New Brighton Emmanuel on the Cheshire BDM site,married a Edna Mary Holland Hughes, is it possible it is the same guy but didn't like Canada so came back,or just went a little later,or somebody totally different.
John

[dickiesam]

Just thinking aloud,There was a Thomas Percival Elston who married in 1933 New Brighton Emmanuel on the Cheshire BDM site,married a Edna Mary Holland Hughes, is it possible it is the same guy but didn't like Canada so came back,or just went a little later,or somebody totally different.
John

An interesting find John.
Might be worth Leigh checking the marriage cert to see if his father's name was Robert Elston [in 1901 Robert was a ship's carpenter (sea-going), bn abt 1869]. If this is the right man the cert would give Thomas' occupation and a clue as to how he got to BC without showing up in any outgoing passenger lists.

Marriages Jun 1933: Elston, Thomas P and Hughes, Edna M H - Birkenhead - 8a - 1250.
And her age is about right...
Birth: HUGHES, Edna Mary H
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1904; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 685.

Leigh, if you decide to go for a cert the official Reference Checking facility [for parents' names etc] was withdrawn by the GRO some years ago. However there is a work-around which we can give you.

[leigh]

Hi DS, John and Tina (although she may well be in bed at this hour)

Not sure about New Brighton marriage, but I'll add it to the mix. Thanks John.

Thanks DS for Anx.

So far I have the following as a possible wife for Thomas Percival ELSTON:

(1)Winifred T WARD birth 1891 Toxteth Park TP/338/14 (LancBMD)
(I think this should have been 'S' and not 'T')

(2)Winifred WARD, 0y, Daughter ,b Liverpool Toxteth Park Ecc St Silas (1881 Census)
(Family Search.org)

(3)Winifred Sara WARD, 10y, Daughter, b Liverpool Toxteth Park Ecc St Paul (1901 Census) (Family Serarch.org)

(4) Winifred S WARD married Thomas Percival ELSTON 1922 Toxteth Park, St Michael 2068TP/23/319 (LancBMD)

I have also found on the 1881 Census a Sara WARD 70y at 44 Egerton Street, Liverpool. (A possible grandmother in view of the christian name - Sara.)

Can anyone complete her family for 1881,1901, or 1911?

Thank you!

[dickiesam]

Leigh, have you the marriage cert for that 1922 marriage to Winifred confirming she married the right Thomas Elston? That would again show his occupation as well. Unusual for a man to marry someone nearly 10 years older back then.

There doesn't appear to be any births in the GRO Index for that marriage and Winifred isn't in the outgoing passenger lists either. You really need to confirm the marriage before doing any more 'digging' into Winifred's line. If you use the Reference Checking work-around I mentioned and the marriage turns out to be the wrong Thomas, the GRO will refund the full amount instead of you paying £9.25 for a wrong cert.

EDIT to correct info!

[leigh]

Thanks DS for the info and advice re: 'work-around'.

Thomas P ELSTON's father was Geo. Wm. ELSTON (b1871). He was a book keeper. In fact Goerge's four brothers were all involved in office type employment, inc: the Liverpool Corporation, the Dock Board and the Post Office. (They will be other areas I will be moving on to.
!)

However Robert - the ship's carpenter may well fit in somewhere.

I am wondering if Thomas actually married twice - Winifred and later Edna. There are connections with this family to New Brighton.

[leigh]

Yes DS I think putting a pause on Winifred's line at the moment is a good idea. I have, as yet, not bothered with any certificates because I have a number of other tentative lines to check out as well.

'A story' was passed down through the family that Thomas was married to a female whose family were part of the MORGAN family who founded the Morgan Crucible Co Ltd. I have recently discovered that their were five brothers who founded the company in Battersea. Wandsworth Library local history section have information on the family so I aim to get in touch.

[MaryA]

If you use the Reference Checking work-around I mentioned and the marriage turns out to be the wrong Thomas, the GRO will only charge you abt £4.50 for the search instead of you paying £9.25 for a wrong cert.

This is what was changed a while ago, they now don't charge for an incorrect order, they refund in full.

Yes DS I think putting a pause on Winifred's line at the moment is a good idea. I have, as yet, not bothered with any certificates because I have a number of other tentative lines to check out as

We don't agree, sorry, certificates or at the very least copy Parish Registers are an absolute must to be sure you are following the right people.