Trying to Find John Moore in 1861

[howardsylven]

Hi
My brickwall is a John Moore (nothing like having a common name )

I know that he married Elizabeth Story apr 25 1855 in St Brides church,
the cert lists his addr as 48 bridgewater street, his occupation is shipwright,
his father is john moore (deceased) who was a mariner

According to the liverpool mercury of 17th jan 1865 he died on jan 11 1865 aged 42 and he was from Blair street toxteth park.

in the 1871 and 1881 census elizabeth was still living at
1 in 5 ct Blair st
Toxteth Park Lancashire England

Unfortunately I have not had any success finding this address in the 1861 census at ancestry.com
and can not find the bridgewater address in the 1851 census.

By finding either of these records I hope to determine/confirm
his birth year
where he was born
other family

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated
rgds
howard

[Tina]

Hi there Howard and a warm welome to the forum.
I'm sure you will get lots of help.
Elizabeth is in 1871 census 42 widowed bn Lpool with children Wm 14, Joseph 10 and John 4 all born Tox Park.
This may help to find the family in 1861, although John may have been at sea.
Good luck
Ignore this, it's the wrong family

see later

[erika]

Hi

Could this be them in 1861
No 6 Court, Fisher Street, Toxteth Park

John Moore age 24 Dock Labourer, born Ireland
Elizabeth Ann Moore 19 born Ireland
William Moore 4 months born Liverpool

Reg District West Derby
Piece 2699
Folio 68
Page 41

[Tina]

Hi Erika I discounted this one as Elizabeth was only 19, too young to have married in 1855.

[erika]

Me trying to be clever again Tina
Back to the drawing board

[Tina]

Erika

[simone]

baptisms on Ancestry belonging to John, Shipwright

living at Nelson Street
Henry Story Moore
Birth 10 Apr 1857
Baptism 28 Apr 1857
Liverpool St Peter
Father: John Moore
Mother: Elizabeth Moore

residence Nelson St again
Ellen Moore
Birth 8 Jan 1859
Baptism 24 Jan 1859
Liverpool St Peter
Father John Moore
Mother Elizabeth Moore


residence Toxteth Park

Margaret Lee Moore
Birth 14 Feb 1861
Baptism 28 Feb 1861
Liverpool St Peter
Father John Moore
Mother Elizabeth Moore


Toxteth Park
Robert George Moore
Birth 19 Feb 1863
Baptism 17 Aug 1863
Liverpool St Peter
Father John Moore
Mother Elizabeth Moore


Simone x

[Tina]

Great find Simmo especially Henry middle name of Story.
The info I listed is incorrect, I've put an error from myself.
(Henry Story Moore and Marg Lee Moore are both together unmarried in 1911 Tox Park)
1881 Blair St courts
Henry brass finisher 23, Robert G 18 commercial clerk, Elizabeth 57 widow bn CUMBERLAND
1891 Eversley St Tox Park
Elizabeth bn Brampton Cumb 67, Henry 33, Margaret L 30, Robert G 28.

[simone]

can't see them using childrens names either although they had Margaret in 1861 whilst at Toxteth Park

Margaret Lee living with brother Henry Storey in 1911, so stayed around

[simone]

Snap tina.

There is another henry S but he has differernt parents. His mum charlotte. Sorry can't check away from computer now;)

[dickiesam]

Hello Howard,
The Moore family are not at 1 in 5 Court, Blair Street in 1861, nor are they a 48 Bridgewater Street.

In the 1871 census [RG10 - 3800 - 123 - 23] there is a son Joseph bn about 1867, but his father John died in 1865 if you have the right man.

I think you need to confirm that the John who died was Elizabeth's husband.
Deaths Mar 1865: MOORE, John - W. Derby - 8b - 325.

There's only one Joseph birth registered between 1865 and 1867 in Liverpool.
Births Mar 1866: Moore, Joseph - W. Derby - 8b - 302.

[howardsylven]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the great response

Simone has got the right family (the story name comes from Elizabeth's family), the nelson st addr is new and so is the name ellenn which is interesting as I got all the rest of the names from a family bible that follows the family back through elizabeth story back to the 1600's. I wonder why ellen wasn't included.

An interesting point is that one of my attempts to resolve john included a possibility that his mum was an ellen.

I will revisit my 1871 data but the 1881 data is..
1881 census
1 in 5 ct Blair st
Toxteth Park Lancashire England
PRO reference RG11
Piece/folio 3635 / 13
Page 20

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Elizabeth MOORE Head W Female 57 Cumberland, England Formerly Dressmaker
Henry S. MOORE Son U Male 23 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brass Finisher
Robert G. MOORE Son U Male 18 Lancashire, England Commercial Clerk

To try and find the 1861 entries I was thinking of trying to do an address search for a street near blair street and try and browse to the relevent page on the assumption that the transcription is wrong, does anyone know how to search ancestry using street names or the ho 107/........ numbers?

Dickiesam: I have only just found the newspaper reference to john's death
"jan 11,age 42, Mr. John Moore, shipwright. Blair-street, Toxtetb-park" and given the occupation and addr and the fact that the latest birth was 1863 I have assumed it is the correct person BUT I havent yet sourced the death cert.

ta
howard

[Bertieone]

Hi Howard.

Try this,

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.go ... reet_Index

put reference number into Keywords, Ancestry search. fill in lived in section also. Good Luck



Bert

[erika]

Hi Howard

In the 1860 directory at 48 Bridgewater Street was Francis Davies, mariner.
John could have lodged there when he got married.
Bridgewater Street seemed to full of people who worked on the sea or around shipping and docks.
They were also a number of lodging houses.
I've been trying to find Bridgewater Street in 1851 census, but so far only got the south side!!- odd numbers

[MaryA]

does anyone know how to search ancestry using street names or the ho 107/........ numbers?

I believe DickieSam did the address search for you, however we have made a note of the Census Street Indexes here http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... reet+index

[Bertieone]

For Ancestry,
1851
Bridgewater st, North side,

County, Lancashire
Civil Parish, Liverpool,
Sub registration, St Thomas,
District 1q

about page 40.


Bert

[erika]

Thanks for that Bert.

However found 48 Bridgewater street on Liverpool, St Thomas, District 1p, page 12.

The transcription is very faint but I don't think John was at that address then, but it was a boarding house.

In the 1851 for Elizabeth, she is still living at home and her mother's name is Margaret, brothers Robert and Henry, which was also her father's name. Expect that's where all her children's names came from

[simone]

1841
HO107; Piece: 565;Folio: 13; Page: 18
non born in county
Alfred Place, Nelson St
Henry Storey 62 labourer
John Storey 30
Henry Storey 25
Robert Storey 23
George Storey 21
James Storey 19
Margaret Storey 54
Elizabeth Storey 17 dressmaker


1851
3 Melville Place
HO107; Piece: 2183; Folio: 466; Page: 35
Henry Story 72 b Upper Denton, Cumberland, grocer, (provision dealer on Elizabeth's marriage cert)
Margaret Story 64 b Bramton, Cumberland
Henry Story 36 b Bramton
Robert Story 34 b Bramton
Elizabeth Story 26 dressmaker b Bramton

1861
1 Melville Place
Henry Storey 82 retired wheelwright
Margaret Storey 78
Robert Storey 42

was hopinf to find missing family with them in 1861 but no such luck

Simone x

[erika]

baptisms on Ancestry belonging to John, Shipwright

living at Nelson Street
Henry Story Moore
Birth 10 Apr 1857
Baptism 28 Apr 1857
Liverpool St Peter
Father: John Moore
Mother: Elizabeth Moore

residence Nelson St again
Ellen Moore
Birth 8 Jan 1859
Baptism 24 Jan 1859
Liverpool St Peter
Father John Moore
Mother Elizabeth Moore





Simone x

Strange Nelson Street cropped up again for the Story family in 1841, Simone

[simone]

Yes I thought that too!