Death cert for the 1840s

[johnhoul]

Hi
My problem is i have come across two burials at St Mary's,Hale Mary Houlgrave daughter of Charles three months burial 27 Dec 1846 and Thomas son of Charles one week,burial 28 Jan 1849, there were a couple of Charles Houlgrave's around at that time now my Charles and wife Mary moved to Northwich Cheshire prior to 1851 census so i do not have an address for them when they were in Hale,the 1841 i havn't found them yet but at that time Charles worked the barges,anyway would the death cert have the parents names as they were both babies or would i be in the same boat not knowing which Charles,The Charles and Mary i am interested in did have two children,Charles and Elizabeth,coincidently Charles jnr married a Mary as well.
All the death certs i have are all for adults so just wondered,also there were two Mary's born in Prescott district Dec quarter 1846 and only one Thomas 1849 March quarter,why i am interested is Charles parents were Thomas and Mary,also two of Charles siblings were also buried at St Mary,Hale.
John

[MaryA]

Looking at a baby's death certificate I have (the earliest I have in 1878) it did give the address where the family lived, and also under "Occupation" it gave the father's name and occupation. However, the signature of the informant was not a member of the family as it was somebody "present at death", I'm suspecting a friend of the family or maybe even a local nurse and it is quite in order for them to register the event.

So although the information given may well be able to confirm for you what you want to know, it's not 100% certain. Sorry.

[dickiesam]

Hello John,
I could only find one birth registration for a Mary H bn in Prescot in 1846 although there were three possibles bn in Liverpool. A process of elimination gave me the birth for Thomas.

Birth: HOULGRAVE, Mary
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1846; Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 20; Page no: 799

Birth: HOULGRAVE, Thomas
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1849; Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 20; Page no: 829

Both births match up with the burials and found a matching death for both:
Death: HOULGRAVE, Thomas
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1849; Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 20; Page no: 703.

Death: HOULGRAVE, Mary
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1846; Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 20; Page no: 796

If you can find a baptism for the births that would give you the parents' names of both children. If you have to resort to birth certs make sure you use the option to specify the parents you are looking for.

I have two 'earlyish' child's death certs [1878 and 1893] and one later one [1931]. All give an address for death with the name and occupation of the father. Two name the mother as the informant.

[johnhoul]

Hi Mary and Dickiesam,
Thank you, I have bought a fair few certs all from cheshire and one from newcastle but never from lancashire, i saw ancestry have them at 22 pound a bit pricy for my likes and as of yet lancs bmd did not show the ones i want but there was a link from lancs to liverpool registry at a cheaper cost,so i may go that way,once again thank you.
John

[MaryA]

Please never order a certificate from an online subscription site as their charge is more than double the correct price.

If you have the GRO reference (from the indexes on either FreeBMD, Ancestry, FMP or from the microfiche itself at a library) then you can order direct online at www.gro.gov.uk

You could also order direct from the Liverpool Register Office http://liverpool.gov.uk/births-marriage-deaths/ who are very helpful if you can give a close idea as to date and perhaps a couple of other details to help identify the record you want. Perhaps contact them first and say that you would like a check if they can for you.

[johnhoul]

Hi Mary,
Thank you for the link,that was the place i was thinking about, i had looked at it the night before and as they have an online ordering system i find that more conveniant. I agree with what you say about the offers of certs at over the top prices. I know what i will be asking Father Christmas for this year mind you i do not know if i can wait that long.
John