JOHN WILLIAM DAVIES

Post by **simone** » 02 Feb 2012 15:59

1861 could be James

RG9; Piece: 2671; Folio: 39; Page: 6;
Sir Thomas Building
Robert Prendergast 37b Ireland, shoe maker
Anne Prendergast 30 b Ireland
Mary Prendergast 11
Bridget Prendergast 10
Joseph Prendergast 8
John Prendergast 11 MO
John Stocks 30 boarder shoemaker
James Prendergast 21 brther b ireland, shoemaker
Thomas Monks 30 boarder shoemaker

Post by **simone** » 02 Feb 2012 16:01

lancs bmd
marriage 1865
James Prendergast to Jane Whitehead at St Peter Liverpool

freebmd
jun q
Prendergust James
Whitehead Jane
Liverpool
8b
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Post by **dickiesam** » 02 Feb 2012 16:09

Hi Simone,
Ancestry seem to have a major transcription error...

The 'correct' entry from 1871 would appear to be:
PRENDERGAST, James - Head - 28 - Bootmaker - Ireland.
PRENDERGAST, Jane - Wife - 25 - Warwickshire, Whitnash.
PRENDERGAST, Henry - Son - 5 - Cheshire, Birkenhead.
PRENDERGAST, Eliza - Dtr - 2 - Cheshire, Birkenhead.
PRENDERGAST, James - Son - 0 - Cheshire, New Brighton.
PRENDERGAST, Eliza - Sister - 26 - Ireland, Clonmel.
Address: Tollemache Street, Liscard, Birkenhead.
Piece: 3753 - Folio:71 - Page:60

So rare and so valuable... there is an entry for the town of origin for Eliza, James' sister!

DS

Post by **Sue H** » 02 Feb 2012 20:37

Thank you folks for all that work........unfortunately tomorrow in hospital for foot op, so will work thro this early next week. Maybe if someone is correcting the Prendergast tree on ancestry I can connect and see if they now of the shinanagans that appear to be going on

Or maybe like me they are totally baffled

Enjoy the peace while you can I will be back

Post by **MaryA** » 02 Feb 2012 21:49

Best of luck for your op. See you when you come home.

Post by **simone** » 03 Feb 2012 08:06

Good luck for the op Sue

Put your foot, oops sorry Feet up

and have a mull over it all... see you later

still can't fathom out what she was doing marrying Mr Coventry on 8 March 1911 and then living as wife of John William on 7 Aprill 1911 when census taken

Where was Mr Coventry

Simone x

Post by **Alison C** » 03 Feb 2012 13:19

Where was Mr Coventry

..and where was John William Davies?

Looking at the timelines, the 1911 census is the only bit of the story which seems odd:

1901 census: Norah Prendergast living on Wirral
Q2 1901: Norah marries Edward Biggs
Dec 1901: Jessie May born. Baptised as West but registered as Davies. Looks like Norah is now with John William - looks like her and Edward had separated. This would explain why she doesn't marry JW.
1903: Jane Helen born
1904: Norah born
1908: Sarah born
Mar 1911: Norah marries Harry Coventry.
1911 census: Norah still shown as Norah Davies. Living in Liverpool.

Harry and Norah had a daughter Marjorie born in Q4 1911:

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Coventry Marjorie Prendergast Wirral 8a 728

However I can find any sign of Harry, Norah or Marjorie after that

Alison

Post by **simone** » 03 Feb 2012 13:33

hmmm Alison how puzzling... and we've run out of census now to find Marjorie on

can't see a Marriage off hand... wonder if she and Harry still together but using another name

mind you can't even find Harry or his dad on previous census....

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 03 Feb 2012 13:42

if she found she was pregnant to Mr Coventry that may be why she married him.. although it doesn't seem to have bothered her before

(maybe the birth reg in oct but born in aug/sep)
within about 4 weeks of marriage she is back on her own again, perhaps Mr Coventry didn't stick around..... she then has Marjorie on her own, and although she has to register her as Coventry, is she living now as a Davies

Post by **simone** » 03 Feb 2012 13:50

there's a death Norah Davies (b c 1879) in 1960... but think we already had that... not sure now, can't remember

Post by **simone** » 03 Feb 2012 15:32

Yikes I hope not

Cheshire BMD 1923

COVENTRY Harry
HIGGINS Mary
Birkenhead, Civil Marriage
Wirral
BW/123/72

There is a Harry b c 1889 in Neston, so maybe this is him, it could be a 2nd marriage as already married on 1911, to Annie I think, she is down as daughter and he as son.
RG14; Piece: 21910.

later : this is the guy Dickiesam found earlier in the searches

If Annie is his wife, I can't see a marriage for them

Post by **Alison C** » 04 Feb 2012 17:09

This is interesting....Canadian immigration records show a Marjorie Coventry (aged 16) and a Nora Coventry (aged 42) arriving in Quebec in 1928:

Surname: Coventry
Given Name: Marjorie
Age: 16
**********: F
Nationality: En
Date of Arrival: 1928/05/27 (YYYY/MM/DD)
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship: REGINA, White Star Dominion
Reference: RG76 - IMMIGRATION, series C-1-a
Volume: 1928 volume 7
Page Number: 106
Microfilm reel: T-14742

Surname: Coventry
Given Name: Nora
Age: 42
**********: F
Nationality: En
Date of Arrival: 1928/05/27 (YYYY/MM/DD)
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship: REGINA, White Star Dominion
Reference: RG76 - IMMIGRATION, series C-1-a
Volume: 1928 volume 7
Page Number: 106
Microfilm reel: T-14742

Alison

Post by **Sue H** » 09 Feb 2012 16:30

Oh dear leave you alone for a week and you find another child and marriage, runaway bride another stab at bigamy.....and then Canada!!! This lady has some nerve!!.........my great grandma, how I would love to meet her and ask why???

Well not able to be on this too long so will input all your findings on my tree and see what happens........will let you know if anything turns up

Once again many thanks, would love to spend a day with you lot to teach me how its done.

Back to putting my foot up.........plastered for 8 weeks....and no hang over involved.....sad!!!

Will keep you informed

Post by **Sue H** » 09 Feb 2012 18:57

Oh dear reading John Williams war records, 2nd page mothers name SARAH JONES HUGHES, could she have married again.........

Post by **Sue H** » 01 Dec 2012 11:47

Hi folks tagged the latest dilemma on to past posted because all are relevant

Just had word from someone who is in the Biggs family. They thought that EDWARD ALBERT BIGGS and "my" NORAH PRENDERGAST had a child called HILDA
in 1903.

I have found a HILDA BIGGS born June 1903 in Cheshire.

They also said she married a RALPH C MOWATT which I have also found December 1924 in Birkenhead. She had children, two I found were Mavis M C Mowatt and a Ralph C Mowatt, both of Birkenhead (well I think there hers)

I know Albert had died in 1906 from fatal injuries caused by an accident in the Price Candle factory, because I have the death certificates.

Logic tells me that I then should be able to find HILDA on the 1911 census with her mother, who ever she is........which I cant

My Norah from 1901 -1911 is living with John William Davies and has children and is living in Liverpool..........and every piece of paper work I have seems to put my Norah Prendergast as the one who walked out on Albert Biggs.........and lived over the brush with John Wiliam Davies

Maybe Albert followed suit and lived over the brush with someone and they had Hilda..........but I cant find Hilda on the 1911 census

Please can someone (once again) help

Post by **dickiesam** » 01 Dec 2012 12:34

Hi Sue,
Well at least we know Hilda was indeed Norah's child....

Baptism: Hilda Biggs
Christening Year: 1903
Christening Date: 14 Jun 1903
Father's Forenames: Edward Albert
Father's Surname: Biggs
Mother's Forename: Norah
Mother's Surname: Biggs
Address: 56 Beaconsfield Road, New Ferry.

Record Group:Part 1 - 1; Record Number:163;
Parish, City or Town: New Ferry
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms 1538-1910

Post by **Sue H** » 01 Dec 2012 12:46

Oh DickieSam thats the address on Alberts death certificate!!

So who the hell is my Norah Prendergast??

Post by **dickiesam** » 01 Dec 2012 12:55

Sue H wrote:Oh DickieSam thats the address on Alberts death certificate!!

So who the hell is my Norah Prendergast??

I think you mean what is Norah Prendergast? After all Hilda isn't with her in 1911. So I am wondering if Hilda was taken in by one of Albert's 4 sisters, who perhaps had married?

Post by **Sue H** » 01 Dec 2012 13:08

But what about

Jessie May 1901........Jane Helen 1903.........Norah 1904......Sara 1908

On the 1911 census while John was away, she stated she had 5 children 2 died, she couldnt have managed two in 1903.

And all Jessie May's details put Norah living in Liverpool with John Williams from after 1901...........

Masquarading as WEST on Jessie's baptism and then as Davies nee Prendergast on her birth certificate

What a pickle!!

Maybe my nan did have something to hide after all

Post by **Sue H** » 01 Dec 2012 13:15

Just a thought she also married Harry Coventry and in 1928 left for Canada with her daughter Majorie Coventry........ Hilda Biggs had married in 1924!! so that would explain why she only had one daughter with her

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